Originally posted by RealityWarper
I will go straight to the point :Doomsday, Hulk, Thor, Sentry, Gladiator, Superman, Hyperion, Colossus, Juggernaut, etc...
All of those bricks & powerhouses are similar when it comes to the combat speed and that means that they aren't faster than any human being when it comes to close-quarters combat.
Hahaha, might as well throw in Flashes and all speedsters there.
Who is fast according to you?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Why isn't he affected by the time suspension? He is shown as affected both times.Heck, Hal stopped time around the whole planet.
This is just lulzworthy.
Haha, what? He was fighting at nanosecond level speed and was aware that he was weakening with each passing nanosecond.
Are you simply going to ignore anything and everything?
Superman said that for some reason he is sped-up and that counters the time-suspension. It doesn't make him faster than usual.
In the other scan, Superman just said that he is feeling weaker each nanosecond. Ok. At worst that shows that his brain speed allows him to feel the time passing each nanosecond if that's not a figure of speech but overall it doesn't matter because Superman doesn't fight faster than anyone in the scan that you provided.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reality, have you seen the Hyperion/Gladiator fight scan? What's your take on it?
I have seen it.
Hyperion blocks an attack of Gladiator and strikes back quasi-instantly (a few nanoseconds) after he blocked the attack. They still both fight at human speeds.
Blocking one strike in one panel and punching one time in one panel is clearly in the range of the human possibilities.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, might as well throw in Flashes and all speedsters there.Who is fast according to you?
Wally West & Bart Allen have good combat speeds along with their impressive running speed.
I remember that scan of Wally against Zoom (I think that it was Eobard) where he literally punches around 22 times in one panel (well, only 3 punches connects but still that's fast).
Now I have seen it all
Let me ask this
IF character A is capable of unpacking a whole department and set everything on it's proper place (books in place, ornaments, furniture) in less than a second does it mean he is capable of moving his limbs at super speed to perform complex tasks? Or is it just traveling speed?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Scans 1 & 2 :
Superman just isn't affected by the time-suspension.Scan 3 :
Superman fight at normal speeds so I don't see the problem.That's not a fight but thanks for trying.
Routine stuff isn't related to combat at all.
Next time you will probably post Superman making sandwiches at high speed to prove that he is a fast fighter, right ?
Your logic is so beautiful that, according to you, Feliks Zemdegs, the Worl's Rubiks Cube Champion is probably a faster fighter than Buakaw because hey, the guy can solve a Rubik's cube in less that 8 seconds.
Yep, you did the exact idiotic counter "argument" I anticipated. You think something as complex as unpacking all that doesn't mean he can't fight at super speed. And you produce a strawman analogy.
You, "good sir," are a troll. Concessions accepted. GG.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Now I have seen it allLet me ask this
IF character A is capable of unpacking a whole department and set everything on it's proper place (books in place, ornaments, furniture) in less than a second does it mean he is capable of moving his limbs at super speed to perform complex tasks? Or is it just traveling speed?
I will answer by a question :
There is human-beings able to perform complex tasks in the blink of an eye, does that makes fast fighters ?
Originally posted by Delta1938
Yep, you did the exact idiotic counter "argument" I anticipated. You think something as complex as unpacking all that doesn't mean he can't fight at super speed. And you produce a strawman analogy.You, "good sir," are a troll. Concessions accepted. GG.
Perfect.
Show us scans of Superman fighting fast then.
Ooooh they don't exist. 🙁
Originally posted by RealityWarper
[B]Superman said that for some reason he is sped-up and that counters the time-suspension. It doesn't make him faster than usual.
He said that to save his secret identity. Hal didn't know he was Superman at that point.
He wasn't speeded up.
In the other scan, Superman just said that he is feeling weaker each nanosecond. Ok. At worst that shows that his brain speed allows him to feel the time passing each nanosecond if that's not a figure of speech but overall it doesn't matter because Superman doesn't fight faster than anyone in the scan that you provided.
Yes, he is able to perceive every nanosecond but he is not that fast.
Riiiiight.
How do you explain this?
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Superman speeded his body up to compensate for timestop which stopped even light.
Human speed, right?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Wally West & Bart Allen have good combat speeds along with their impressive running speed.
But they get beaten by Deathstroke all the time.
He is just slow, isn't he?
I remember that scan of Wally against Zoom (I think that it was Eobard) where he literally punches around 22 times in one panel (well, only 3 punches connects but still that's fast).
Haha, are you really counting the number of punches in the panel to see who is fast?
crylaugh
Originally posted by abhilegend
He said that to save his secret identity. Hal didn't know he was Superman at that point.He wasn't speeded up.
Yes, he is able to perceive every nanosecond but he is not that fast.
Riiiiight.
How do you explain this?
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanDistortionField1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanDistortionField2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanDistortionField3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanDistortionField4.jpgSuperman speeded his body up to compensate for timestop which stopped even light.
Human speed, right?
Hal's knowledge doesn't matter.
Fact is that he don't move faster than usual under the time stop.
Yeah and the field is supposed to stop him to and he moves thanks to his travel speed.
In the end of the day he is just bullrushing in a straigth to deliver one punch.
Unimpressive.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But they get beaten by Deathstroke all the time.He is just slow, isn't he?
Haha, are you really counting the number of punches in the panel to see who is fast?
crylaugh
The ratio attack / defense in one panel is actually one of the meaning to appreciate the combat speed of character.
So far you posted only irrelevant feats...
None of them are related to Superman fighting another being and using his combat speed.
It seems that's a long tradition for Superman's fans to only post irrelevancy to his combat speed because you know... Superman don't shine at all in that category.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I will answer by a question :There is human-beings able to perform complex tasks in the blink of an eye, does that makes fast fighters ?
David Cooperfield could punch you faster than you could see for sure and a thief could either pull out your wallet or shank you faster than you will notice.
But We are talking about unpacking a whole appartment not just dissapearing a coin in a second.
If he is capable of doing that is he capable of punching you 300 times in a second? If he is capable of catch machine gun bullets could he punch that fast too?
Originally posted by Delta1938
You yourself cited examples of him speed-blitzing, yet simultaneously dismiss them because "they're slow." You are a troll. A hypocritical contradicting one at that. GG.
I'm not a troll and you are emotional and can't accept fact.
I told you that I was waiting for feats of Superman showing an actual combat speed and you only showed Superman bullrushing using his travel speed or routine feats totally irrelevant when it comes to a fight.
You pretended a few post ago to "be ready" and you could make a claim.
So far you are literally avoiding the topic while accusing me to be hypotrical.
Oh ! The IRONY ! 🙂
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
David Cooperfield could punch you faster than you could see for sure and a thief could either pull out your wallet or shank you faster than you will notice.But We are talking about unpacking a whole appartment not just dissapearing a coin in a second.
If he is capable of doing that is he capable of punching you 300 times in a second? If he is capable of catch machine gun bullets could he punch that fast too?
As Superman demonstrated ANY of your speculations in a fight ?
If not then he can't, it's that simple.
There is enough proof over 75 years of publications that Superman can't do this.
He is slow.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm not a troll and you are emotional and can't accept fact.I told you that I was waiting for feats of Superman showing an actual combat speed and you only showed Superman bullrushing using his travel speed or routine feats totally irrelevant when it comes to a fight.
You pretended a few post ago to "be ready" and you could make a claim.
So far you are literally avoiding the topic while accusing me to be hypotrical.
Oh ! The IRONY ! 🙂
See? This is exactly why I wanted to do a Battlezone. You are dismissing feats that prove you wrong either due to dishonesty(hence pointing-out you're a troll) or just incompetence. There's only two choices here, unless you're both. This isn't flaming at all, but a simple fact. The only way you can be making your argument is to either mental gymnastic dishonesty to say the feats don't count, or flat-out idiocy because you can't understand them.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Hal's knowledge doesn't matter.
Of course it does. He did not know Clark Kent was Superman.
He had to secure his secret identity.
Thought you read Superman comics.
Fact is that he don't move faster than usual under the time stop.
How so?
Yeah and the field is supposed to stop him to and he moves thanks to his travel speed.
Lolwut? Time is literally stopped there. He had to speed up his entire body and is punching at speed which overcome time stop.
How is that travel speed?
In the end of the day he is just bullrushing in a straigth to deliver one punch.
Unimpressive.
Hahaha. How is bullrushing going to overcome time stop.
BTW post Batman or Wolverine overcome time stop by speed.
Even bullrushing as you put it.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
As Superman demonstrated ANY of your speculations in a fight ?If not then he can't, it's that simple.
There is enough proof over 75 years of publications that Superman can't do this.
He is slow.
You didn't answer the question, you just dodge it.
That is why I said, complex ideas are not for everyone.
Btw there is Superman fighting Amazo.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
The ratio attack / defense in one panel is actually one of the meaning to appreciate the combat speed of character.
No, it isn't.
Sorry to break your heart.
So far you posted only irrelevant feats...
Contrary to what you think, you're not the judge here.
Nobody gives a shit about what you think is relevant or irrelevant.
I'm just posting these to see you flip flop . It's rather amusing.
None of them are related to Superman fighting another being and using his combat speed.
So flashes are slow too?
They should change their names to "slowest man alive."
I mean losing to Deathstroke?
It seems that's a long tradition for Superman's fans to only post irrelevancy to his combat speed because you know... Superman don't shine at all in that category.
Or rather you think so. Who died and made you judge here?
Originally posted by Delta1938
See? This is exactly why I wanted to do a Battlezone. You are dismissing feats that prove you wrong either due to dishonesty(hence pointing-out you're a troll) or just incompetence. There's only two choices here, unless you're both. This isn't flaming at all, but a simple fact. The only way you can be making your argument is to either mental gymnastic dishonesty to say the feats don't count, or flat-out idiocy because you can't understand them.
You posted no combat speeds feats so far.
It seems that your only competence here is to throw Ad Hominems at people disagreeing with you.
You posted nothing worth my attention.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. He did not know Clark Kent was Superman.He had to secure his secret identity.
Thought you read Superman comics.
How so?
Lolwut? Time is literally stopped there. He had to speed up his entire body and is punching at speed which overcome time stop.
How is that travel speed?
Hahaha. How is bullrushing going to overcome time stop.
BTW post Batman or Wolverine overcome time stop by speed.
Even bullrushing as you put it.
Same for you.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You didn't answer the question, you just dodge it.That is why I said, complex ideas are not for everyone.
Btw there is Superman fighting Amazo.
Superman can't punch 300 times a second. I answered to your question.
Same than the posters 1 & 2 you posted no combat speed feats so far.
