DOS Doomsday vs Sentry

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm rebutting a fallacious interpretation of the scans and of the characters.

Nothing much, nothing less.

Not only have you been shown repeatedly all through the thread.

Mod even stepped in to let you know;

Originally posted by -Pr-
Apparently people weren't listening. Great.

As per the rules of the forum combat/reaction speed is a thing we take in to account. Superman has impressive combat/reaction speed. Trying to say he doesn't is, imo, either due to being misinformed, or trying to wilfully mislead people.

What you're doing isn't rebutting, it's called trolling.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm rebutting a fallacious interpretation of the scans and of the characters.

Nothing much, nothing less.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not only have you been shown repeatedly all through the thread.

Mod even stepped in to let you know;

What you're doing isn't rebutting, it's called trolling.

The mods aren't the one whom made the comics, nor written the characters therefore the opinion of a mod about a character is not much than his own.

In that case, THIS mod stated his opinion about Superman.

By the way I provided enough proof about what I said via providing scans and context

You are a little bit selective about what you want to see about the characters and in the thread itself, as Newjak said that stating an opinion, like I'm doing, isn't trolling.

I'm disagreeing with you, Juntai, and my opinion comes from what I'm directly observing in the comics.

Originally posted by Newjak
We are getting a large number of reports from this thread. People need to stay civil or grow thicker skins. Disagreeing over topics is not trolling each other nor should it require mod intervention or rulings. I will close this thread if it doesn't shape up and I know there have already been threats of bannings by the other mods. So keep that in mind as well.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The mods aren't the one whom made the comics, nor written the characters therefore the opinion of a mod about a character is not much than his own.

In that case, THIS mod stated his opinion about Superman.

By the way I provided enough proof about what I said via providing scans and context

You are a little bit selective about what you want to see about the characters and in the thread itself, as Newjak said that stating an opinion, like I'm doing, isn't trolling.

I'm disagreeing with you, Juntai, and my opinion comes from what I'm directly observing in the comics.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Apparently people weren't listening. Great.

As per the rules of the forum combat/reaction speed is a thing we take in to account. Superman has impressive combat/reaction speed. Trying to say he doesn't is, imo, either due to being misinformed, or trying to wilfully mislead people.

Now, move on, people. Next person to make a personal jab gets warned.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
👆

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Primo:

Some kind of real logic is used to evaluate if an idea is a fallacy or not. In this case real world logic will apply so we can evaluate if something is a fallacy or not.

Anyone with a minimal sense of debating rules will know this

Secundo:

Yes, your logic is faulty and full of fallacies. If you haven't read the forum debating rules I will suggest you do, there are PIS and CIS rules which you are conveniently brushing aside to fit into your argument.

Tertio:

Excuse me? But I haven't insulted you so far, having spent so many months on comic vine (not that I politely care) should have given you a pretty good idea that not everybody will agree with your ideas. And thanks but to me being capable of catching 300 random traveling bullets in a second it logically means I can punch you 300 times in a second, no need to listen to someone who does not follows the basic rules for debating or follows simple logic.

Now if you think... Whatever you want to think that is fine, but the MOD already gave a ruling on this topic a few pages ago. I will suggest for you to read it and stop with it with this idea wich is illinformed and fallacious at best. In my opinion 🙂

Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

In this case "Superman has slow reflexes in a fight because there is no evidence that shows otherwise"

However this proposition fails when supported by other ovidence of Superman doing other things at superspeed that require complex motions with a high level of reflexes and it successfully supports the proposition. Like Superman striping Batman's clothes out and dressing him again before Batman even notices it, somehow Superman can undress and dress batman with out him noticing but cannot punch him? Real sound logic 👆

Making reality Warper's argument a fallacy among the worst I have seen in years.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

In this case "Superman has slow reflexes in a fight because there is no evidence that shows otherwise"

However this proposition fails when supported bu other ovidence of Superman doing other things at superspeed that require complex motions with a high level of reflexes and it successfully supports the proposition.

Making reality Warper's argument a fallacy among the worst I have seen in years.

What are you talking about ?

ALL of Superman's fight proves him slow.

ALL of them.

How can you pretend that I'm the one using a fallacious reasoning when you are speculating on Superman's supposed super-combat-speed, when you are reasoning with out-of-combat feats which are directly disproven by Superman's actual fights ?

Hell, ALL of Superman's feats, fights, directly support my point of view.

*EDIT*

Even his last encounter with the Sinister Six proven him unable to deal with an opponent coming from behing and just touching his arm...

He proven his low combat awareness and lack of combat speed...

He could have just frost breath him or just grip his arm to avoid being touched if he was able to do it but he didn't.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The mods aren't the one whom made the comics, nor written the characters therefore the opinion of a mod about a character is not much than his own.

In that case, THIS mod stated his opinion about Superman.

By the way I provided enough proof about what I said via providing scans and context

You are a little bit selective about what you want to see about the characters and in the thread itself, as Newjak said that stating an opinion, like I'm doing, isn't trolling.

I'm disagreeing with you, Juntai, and my opinion comes from what I'm directly observing in the comics.

A few dozen scans have been presented with Superman using superspeed combat and superspeed reflexes.

You not liking them, ignoring them, creating false context, not addressing them etc, doesn't change that.

Originally posted by Juntai
The mods are interpreters of rules however. Superman has shown his superspeed reflex and superspeed combat abilities. He can and will be debated that way, and just because you don't like it doesn't change it.

A few dozen scans have been presented with Superman using superspeed combat and superspeed reflexes.

You not liking them, ignoring them, creating false context, not addressing them etc, doesn't change that.

Nope.

The scans weren't related at all to Superman's combat speed in close-quarter combat or proven him slow in that case...

Originally posted by RealityWarper
What are you talking about ?

ALL of Superman's fight proves him slow.

ALL of them.

How can you pretend that I'm the one using a fallacious reasoning when you are speculating on Superman's supposed super-combat-speed, when you are reasoning with out-of-combat feats which are directly disproven by Superman's actual fights ?

Hell, ALL of Superman's feats, fights, directly support my point of view.

*EDIT*

Even his last encounter with the Sinister Six proven him unable to deal with an opponent coming from behing and just touching his arm...

He proven his low combat awareness and lack of combat speed...

He could have just frost breath him or just grip his arm to avoid being touched if he was able to do it but he didn't.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; [b]this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

In this case "Superman has slow reflexes in a fight because there is no evidence that shows otherwise"

However this proposition fails when supported by other ovidence of Superman doing other things at superspeed that require complex motions with a high level of reflexes and it successfully supports the proposition. Like Superman striping Batman's clothes out and dressing him again before Batman even notices it, somehow Superman can undress and dress batman with out him noticing but cannot punch him? Real sound logic 👆

Making reality Warper's argument a fallacy among the worst I have seen in years. [/B]

Read again, if you need help to understand it there might be someone else who can explain the idea of: this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition. to you

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Argumentum ad logicam (argument to logic). This is the fallacy of assuming that something is false simply because a proof or argument that someone has offered for it is invalid; [b]this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition.

In this case "Superman has slow reflexes in a fight because there is no evidence that shows otherwise"

However this proposition fails when supported by other ovidence of Superman doing other things at superspeed that require complex motions with a high level of reflexes and it successfully supports the proposition. Like Superman striping Batman's clothes out and dressing him again before Batman even notices it, somehow Superman can undress and dress batman with out him noticing but cannot punch him? Real sound logic 👆

Making reality Warper's argument a fallacy among the worst I have seen in years. [/B]

Except me, because I'm too cute and friendly in this thread.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Acknowledging Pr's post would mean that everyone in this thread would get a warning.

Except me, because I'm too cute and friendly in this thread.

You are correct. We should not even be talking about this topic as it has already been ruled. I agree with you 👆

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Read again, if you need me to help to understand it there might be someone else who can explain the idea of: [b]this reasoning is fallacious because there may be another proof or argument that successfully supports the proposition. to you [/B]

A character created one way don't become suddendly fast.

Your reasoning is fallacious because you basically say that because something didn't happen it can happen when the character is created one way.

Basically going by your logic I could say that :

"Jimmy Olsen can beat Galactus"

And always by your logic it can happen because nothing NEW appeared until now that disproven it.

Sorry but Comic Book characters don't suddenly spontaneously change the way they are designed / written.

Superman is slow in all fights therefore he is a slow fighter.

Period.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
A character created one way don't become suddendly fast.

Your reasoning is fallacious because you basically say that because something didn't happen it can happen when the character is created one way.

Basically going by your logic I could say that :

"Jimmy Olsen can beat Galactus"

And always by your logic it can happen because nothing NEW appeared until now that disproven it.

Sorry but Comic Book characters don't suddenly spontaneously change the way they are designed / written.

Superman is slow in all fights therefore he is a slow fighter.

Period.

You didn't even get the idea.

I dare you to prove (not by a explicit scan of jimmy defeating a galactus level entity under his own power) but, by other proof or argument that jimmy olsen can beat galactus

Enlight us

He's so slow, he can adjust his acceleration to keep up with the fastest characters in comics!

http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=35770.jpg
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=497cd.jpg

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are correct. We should not even be talking about this topic as it has already been ruled. I agree with you 👆

Must be the lack of sig.

"SheR"

lol1

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Nobody listens to pr is my point. Not even SheR, his mom.

Must be the lack of sig.

Damn! I don't know what to say to that. I am speechless 😆

Sometimes Pr goes home and SheR offers him potato vodka but he declines out of his kidney. She loses it and blames his lack of sig for not respecting her. Then HeR starts in on her and Pr goes to the next room to get mocked by WeeR. Little redheaded devil that one is.

All this happens with a heavy Irish accent if you can imagine. Pure noise from start to finish in 4 hours.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Sometimes Pr goes home and SheR offers him potato vodka but he declines out of his kidney. She loses it and blames his lack of sig for not respecting her. Then HeR starts in on her and Pr goes to the next room to get mocked by WeeR. Little redheaded devil that one is.

All this happens with a heavy Irish accent if you can imagine. Pure noise from start to finish in 4 hours.

I am affraid that if I laugh. I could get banned

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You didn't even get the idea.

I dare you to prove (not by a explicit scan of jimmy defeating a galactus level entity under his own power) but, by other proof or argument that jimmy olsen can beat galactus

Enlight us

Oh my god the derailment...

My point is that YOU pretend that Superman has super-combat speed EVEN all of his fights PROVES that he is SLOW.

I'm not talking about his travel speed.

I'm not talking about his brain speed.

I'm literally asking YOU to prove that Superman is a FAST FIGHTER by showing to us ACTUAL FIGHTS of Superman that PROVES him FAST.

Which is impossible because he get is head punched in EVERY FIGHTS, even by street-levelers.

Hell, he was even unable to avoid a "jump kick" of Anguish that she started 4 meters away...

By your logic, Superman has super-combat speed because he has speed in other departement which is totally fallacious.

Hell, it's like saying that Usain Bolt can kick faster than Bruce Lee because he can use his legs to run fast.

That's actually debating on that level.