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Originally posted by RealityWarper
I will go straight to the point :Doomsday, Hulk, Thor, Sentry, Gladiator, Superman, Hyperion, Colossus, Juggernaut, etc...
All of those bricks & powerhouses are similar when it comes to the combat speed and that means that they aren't faster than any human being when it comes to close-quarters combat.
This could have been the turning point of KMC. The day when the Church of Gamma, the Thor Corps, the Golden Guardians...hell, even the Independents, all united against this post.
But no. The dream is dead.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But we return to your first analogy, that of the Rubik's cube guy being a fast fighter.That's still muscle memory. Even fighters rely on muscle memory - hence the sparring, and the drills, and the katas they do day in, day out.
Rubik's cube players practice constantly as well.
None of the examples used are actually any good - because they have practised 10,000 hours to become an expert. Hence, cross-training is impossible. Starcraft players aren't good fighters, nor are Rubik's cube solvers, or people who can play the piano blindingly fast.
Superman hasn't practised catching bullets (that I am aware of). He just does it.
He hasn't practised speed reading. Or bullet catching. Or any of the other things.
So HIS speed is NOT muscle memory - I'm sure the circle jerkers at DC would lovingly detail it if they could. Hell, Abhi would be the first to post it.
But he doesn't use muscle memory like the expert Starcraft players et al. He just does it.
He doesn't use speed at all.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So now panel is stretched, eh? I wonder what else you're going to bring.Fortunately, the writer made it clear that both Superman and Orion were punching at Supersonic speeds.
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/th_sonicboompunches_zpsa989c4cb.png
At this point, you're a joke who is pulling excuses out of his ass.
But do continue, I'm enjoying this.
I would like that you tell me in what it's more than a character statement because :
1) Superman is the only one to strike and the schockwave of the punch is already enough to produce damage to shatter the stuff around.
2) Orion isn't striking back but at Superman the whole time that they are going underground.
3) The journalist has no view of the fight and literally no meaning to verify his claims as measuring that's the speed of the punches that shatters everything.
4) The journalist is here to back-up a sensationalist event and rise up the audimat.
The whole claim is more than very dubious.
It's fun because when it's about Tony Stark saying that Sentry is the equal of HOM Wanda even he worked with Bob during years and was the National Secretary at Defense you say it's not true.
Now a dubious journalist whom has no meaning to verify his claims makes sense to you.
Nice double standards.
Superman is slow.
Just deal with it.
Originally posted by Surtur
This is weird, I tend to see people highballing Supes here, but now someone is trying to lowball him.I'll give you this: you have gone above and beyond to try to prove Superman doesn't have super speed, despite all the feats brought up.
I mean I admire your dedication to being wrong.
People have certainly lowballed Superman. But I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone argue Superman is slower than Batman in combat speed. People try to argue his speed isn't that great? Sure. But he's slower than a high-level but otherwise normal human? Nope, not at all.
Originally posted by RealityWarperI would like that you tell me in what it's more than a character statement because :
1) Superman is the only one to strike and the schockwave of the punch is already enough to produce damage to shatter the stuff around.
So now you ignore direct on panel statements as well?
Good to know.
2) Orion isn't striking back but at Superman the whole time that they are going underground.
3) The journalist has no view of the fight and literally no meaning to verify his claims as measuring that's the speed of the punches that shatters everything.
Why would we need to verify it? Are you some kind of detective?
4) The journalist is here to back-up a sensationalist event and rise up the audimat.
Haha, what? This isn't real if you are not aware.
The whole claim is more than very dubious.
No, it's not. You are once again pulling excuses out of your ass.
It's fun because when it's about Tony Stark saying that Sentry is the equal of HOM Wanda even he worked with Bob during years and was the National Secretary at Defense you say it's not true.
So now throwing red herrings too?
Good. Good.
Now a dubious journalist whom has no meaning to verify his claims makes sense to you.
Nice double standards.
Superman is slow.
Just deal with it.
Haha, "I'm just going to ignore anything and everything".
Deal with what? Your opinion?
Complain to DC who has him comparable to Flash in speed.
Nobody cares about what you think. At this point you're a complete joke.
