RealityTroll gave a terrible analogy as a counter argument to speed applications in that other thread, the starcraft example, and I shut it down, and his response to that was to go back to the well and just say what amounted to a circular argument of "no you are wrong because I told you before you are wrong!". With no actual counter argument left. And he certainly failed to even attempt to address the Fast-mind-Slow-Body conundrum that his shitty argument creates for himself. (In-fact he completely dodged it).
I know exactly what RealityTroll is. He's one of those 'combat speed' idiots that don't fully understand the implication of their argument. Apparently he is one of those on the more extreme end of the idiot scale, as he believes Batman has greater 'combat speed' than Supes or Flash.
Allow me to snuff him out with a couple of examples.
RealityTroll. Answer these two examples. (These are examples based on feats in comics). Now:
1. Flash and Superman sit down at a bar. They are talking and conversing at their native super speeds, and thus the bar is frozen around them. If Batman were to be inserted in this scene, he would be frozen too. Now, what would need to change to make this combat applicable? Surely if Supes and Flash just decided to stand up and stretch their arms, and say throw a couple of jabs in the air while time is frozen around them, that would not be a combat situation, right?
Ah but let's change it a bit: What if Supes or Flash decide to walk up to the still frozen Batman and then throw a jab at his head. Does it become a 'combat situation' now? Will time magically change gears and speed Batman's muscles and brain up and slow Supes' and Flash's down because time now realizes that its in 'combat time' mode now? Wow, time is smart and aware, and apparently has different modes for different mundane activities.
2. Let's say there's a strong monster (lets say its Abomination) in the middle of a crowded street. He starts stomping around and thunder clapping and causes a lot of collateral damage to several city blocks. Buildings start to crumble, and rubble falls all around. Superman is nearby, and before engaging the brick, decides to use his demonstrated super speed to catch all the falling rubble and repair the buildings and move pedestrians out of harms way. His arms are moving at crazy super speeds to catch all the millions of pieces of bricks and general falling rubble and patch them back into place, stack them back up, etc. When he is done, he goes to punch Abomination square in the jaw, but somehow Abomination blocks it! Is it because its 'combat speed' mode now? Does superman's super speed arms from just fractions of a second ago in the exact same vicinity suddenly only move at, what, 30 miles per hour now? (since apparently he's slower than Batman according to you).
Let's lay it on a little thicker here. What if the rubble is falling directly around Abomination, and Superman decides for whatever reason that he doesn't want a single brick or broken debris to fall, so he picks them all up as they are falling around Abomination. In between picking them up as they are falling and repairing them, he decides to throw some punches at abomination, but his arms magically get slower when he decides to throw a punch! But they move super fast while he is grabbing those hundreds of thousands/millions of bricks before they fall and putting them back in place! How is this possible??
It is must be that dastardly 'Combat time' sabotaging him! And apparently it takes over and slows Superman down every time he throws a punch at someone, but allows him to move at his normal super speed when he decides to do a different activity in the exact same area.
Even though this is the exact opposite of reality: Your arms move faster and more instinctively in a fight than they do when you are doing meticulous, thought-requiring work like repairing/designing things.
(Hopefully that created an amusing visual for you: Supes frantically working in a tight circle at super speed around Abomination, but then only moving at human boxer level speed when he throws a punch at him, and getting blocked/countered every time).
This is the only, only phucking way your argument could work for you. Kindly acknowledge that you agree with this 'combat time' argument and say you champion it; that there are different types of time in comics for different activities. Combat time. Talking time. Drinking tea time. Repairing stuff time. Eating time, Taking a shit time etc.
That's the hilarity of your position. Acknowledge that you agree with this so you can damage your credibility even further and allow us to laugh more at your expense a little harder. Or maybe you'll do the unthinkable and actually find evidence in books that support this revolutionary idea; that 'combat time' is a real thing in comics.
Just...Jesus christ, you are dumb as all hell. Your mother certainly fed you dog shit and paint chips to raise you.
Its obvious that Evil Molecule Man>>> Owen mentally stable>> Cube Beings> Elder Gods> Sky Fathers> Thanos>>>>>> Void Sentry=/weakened MM who wasnt even planetary threat only local>>>>> Thor,Sentry,Silver Surfer
Current DS is a universal threat, Anti Monitor had to absorb universes to battle DS which is way above Sentry, Void, Thanos, Thor, Superman paid grade
Originally posted by RealityWarperSentry is as bad and as slow in hand-to-hand but Superfarmboy's showings are even worse so speed and skills aren't an issue.
Yeah, go seek a doctor for butthurt. Sentry is slow as ****.
Don't blame Superman for that.
Wow you quoted 3 bad showings of the Sentry when Superman has over 20 bad fights where he got his ass whooped.
Superman appears in 20 times more comics than Sentry as well. Learn about averages boy.
For the record, Sentry was holding back against Hercules, put the shit out of Namor & flee away from Jim Hammond because of his mental issues. That's not exactly loosing to them.
Herc made a fool out of him, Namor punched him out in Avengers/Invaders and Hammond made him his *****.
Way to go sentry.
An ultra-weakened Sentry (by his agoraphobia) forced an ultra-amped Hulk, during World War Hulk, to revert to human form while Sentry was not fighting at his best and let Hulk hit him several times in the face.
Sentry was never weakened. That's pure fanfiction.
Let's see the scan where Sentry is stated to be weakened.
Greg Pak, the writer whom writes Superman too, said that this Hulk would kick the ass of Odinforce Thor and we all know how much Odinforce Thor or Green Scar would easily wreck Superfarmboy.
ABC logic so easily works.
Joe Casey said Superman would beat Galactus while all out. Must be true too.
In short, even an ultra-weakened Sentry could easily one-shot Superfarmboy.
Superman would beat the shit out of him. So nope.
Continue to pretend that I'm delusional when I post proof coming from Marvel itself that Molecule Man wasn't weakened. That makes you look mature and good.
What proof that would be, eh? Your delusions?
Morgan le Fay time-killed Sentry before and he came back without problems.He isn't killing Sentry. He would just transport Sentry to the future. Are you saying sentry can time travel now?
When Sentry's body is destroyed he can reform it instantly so Jobberseid whom loose to the weak Superfarmboy get his ass whooped.
So can a lot of characters. In fact Eternals as a race can reform after being their whole body destroyed.
Sentry, the blond ***** gets oneshotted here.
Cry more.
*sigh*
There is too much salt and fallacies in that thread to give an answer to all of those whiny kids.
None of you understand shit about what I'm saying, even when I create analogies simple to the point that mentally challenged people could get what I'm saying...
I see that my words are twisted in every possible ways because none of you are able to understand the simple basics of my explanations, nor simple definitions of words like "interception", "punch"...
For CosmicTard :
I advise you to ask a surgeon to make you a brain transplant, at this point it became an emergency.
I never spoke about a "combat mode" or the shit you are speaking about.
I will just adress the "Superman & Flash speaking at high speed" stuff :
The time isn't frozen, bub.
That's just that the whole time they are speaking at super-speed and deciphering each other with their heightened perceptions...
By the way, while Flash is moving at super-speeds on the scene, Superman is literally standing still... Yes, Superman's body is slow and his mind is fast... However heightened reflexes / perception don't give you the ability to fight faster and contrary to your lies I already several times in the various threads... The point is that your reading & comprehending skills are below the ones of a monkey.
Good day guys.
Have fun reading stories with your fanboys glasses, your bias, your immaturity and your disrespectful attitude that makes you nothing but petty whiny childish posters.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
*sigh*
Haha, this is just going too well.
There is too much salt and fallacies in that thread to give an answer to all of those whiny kids.
Yes, you're the one to say I'm salty? Every ironymeter just exploded.
Stay in your room kid. Grown ups are talking here.
None of you understand shit about what I'm saying, even when I create analogies simple to the point that mentally challenged people could get what I'm saying...
Yes, only mentally challenged can understand what you're saying.
Its too nonsensical for any sane man.
I see that my words are twisted in every possible ways because none of you are able to understand the simple basics of my explanations, nor simple definitions of words like "interception", "punch"...
😂
Its like Enzeru all over again.
For CosmicTard :I advise you to ask a surgeon to make you a brain transplant, at this point it became an emergency.
I never spoke about a "combat mode" or the shit you are speaking about.
I will just adress the "Superman & Flash speaking at high speed" stuff :
The time isn't frozen, bub.
That's just that the whole time they are speaking at super-speed and deciphering each other with their heightened perceptions...By the way, while Flash is moving at super-speeds on the scene, Superman is literally standing still... Yes, Superman's body is slow and his mind is fast... However heightened reflexes / perception don't give you the ability to fight faster and contrary to your lies I already several times in the various threads... The point is that your reading & comprehending skills are below the ones of a monkey.
Good day guys.
Have fun reading stories with your fanboys glasses, your bias, your immaturity and your disrespectful attitude that makes you nothing but petty whiny childish posters.
We'll certainly miss you.
And your fan-fiction.
Darkseid still oneshots sentry.
👆
Originally posted by tkitna
Any scans for this, because I sure dont remember this happening.
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02c.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02e.jpg
Maybe one of the weaker or poorly written Sentrys.
Nope, any normal sentry would go down. Sentry fans have to live with that.
I can't imagine why anyone likes the shitty clone which was only created for Paul Jenkins to masturbate about his power fantasies and show DC how marvel can create a superman though. But each to his own.
/shrug
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02c.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/AvengersInvaders02e.jpg
Hmmm, not one of those scans show a KO'd Sentry. How odd.
Nope, any normal sentry would go down. Sentry fans have to live with that.
Nope, any right minded Sentry would win. I know it kills the Superman fans to admit that, but it is what it is.
I can't imagine why anyone likes the shitty clone which was only created for Paul Jenkins to masturbate about his power fantasies and show DC how marvel can create a superman though. But each to his own.
/shrug
Because he's 1000 times more interesting than the guy with the jheri curl that flies around collecting badges for his boy scout sash. .
Originally posted by tkitna
Hmmm, not one of those scans show a KO'd Sentry. How odd.
Namor is seen fighting Sentry and when we see him again, we see him fighting Simon and Ares.
Sentry was not seen again. Maybe he was sleeping?
Nope, any right minded Sentry would win. I know it kills the Superman fans to admit that, but it is what it is.
Why would it kill anyone when it's wrong?
Because he's 1000 times more interesting than the guy with the jheri curl that flies around collecting badges for his boy scout sash. .
If that were ever true, you might have a point.
The fact that you resorted to point out an imaginary characteristics of Superman in contrast to the real reason behind Sentry's creation says it all.
Sentry fans are always the same. And would always deny how he's not a clone.
Reality is too much to bear after all.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Ok.Show me a combat feat of Clark punching 300 times per second.
If someone can move and react at high levels of speed...why wouldn't they use speed in such a way? The writers of the comic have reasons, they are trying to tell a story, to entertain. We don't really have a reason to ignore it though.
There will be no specific feat that fits the specific criteria you are asking for. What we do have is demonstrated high speed reflexes, and the ability employ these in combat situations if one chooses. Those scans have been shown. No, they usually do not take the ability to its maximum effectiveness, but the reason for that has already been given.
Did somebody in your family get beat to death with a Flash comic or something? Why do you hate the concept of super speed in comics so much?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
It doesn't matter how much Superman can go faster when two scans proves that :1) Superman can't be faster than he is against Shadowdragon.
2) He is beat by a street-leveler in speed.
Why can't he be? Scan says he doubled his speed - but was still unable to tag him.
A Ferrari can double it's speed, from 2 mph to 4mph - I'm still able to run faster than that.
Does that mean I am faster than a Ferrari?
Originally posted by Surtur
If someone can move and react at high levels of speed...why wouldn't they use speed in such a way? The writers of the comic have reasons, they are trying to tell a story, to entertain. We don't really have a reason to ignore it though.There will be no specific feat that fits the specific criteria you are asking for. What we do have is demonstrated high speed reflexes, and the ability employ these in combat situations if one chooses. Those scans have been shown. No, they usually do not take the ability to its maximum effectiveness, but the reason for that has already been given.
Did somebody in your family get beat to death with a Flash comic or something? Why do you hate the concept of super speed in comics so much?
It's not used such a way in comics because the characters don't have the ability to do it.
I don't hate the concept of super-speed and in the other hand I hate being insulted by a bunch of fanboys because my opinion differs...
I tried my best to stay civil but at some point, those people just deserve being threated the way they threat others.
Where did you get this idea that I hate the super-speed ?
I'm just pointing-out some fallacious reasoning. That's all.
People don't get that, whatever it's in real life or in fiction, you can't transfer an ability to do something fast into another domain...
Hell, even the writers keep that logic in mind in comics...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why can't he be? Scan says he doubled his speed - but was still unable to tag him.A Ferrari can double it's speed, from 2 mph to 4mph - I'm still able to run faster than that.
Does that mean I am faster than a Ferrari?
Superman said on-panel that he is "not used fighting someone faster than [him]".
That means that he has literally reached his limit in combat speed.
Superman wasn't refering to his ability to run or fly so your analogy with the Ferrari isn't appropriate.
By the way there is other exemples of characters like Superman being outclassed by street-levelers in combat speed.
I can quote Karate Kid Vs Mon-El and Lady Shiva Vs Supergirl.
For the record :
Lady Shiva beat Shadowdragon.
Karate Kid beat Batman but they are close in combat speed.
That's all that I have to say.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor is seen fighting Sentry and when we see him again, we see him fighting Simon and Ares.Sentry was not seen again. Maybe he was sleeping?
Maybe he left to go fight Galactus. Your claim holds about as much clout. I do have actual scans for you of a slightly pissed off Sentry fighting Namor though if your interested.
Why would it kill anyone when it's wrong?
Only to Superman fans it seems. The Sentry can do anything Superman can and more. How couldnt he win?
The fact that you resorted to point out an imaginary characteristics of Superman in contrast to the real reason behind Sentry's creation says it all.Sentry fans are always the same. And would always deny how he's not a clone.
Reality is too much to bear after all.
Do you have a quote from Jenkins stating that Sentry was a direct copy of DC's Superman? If not, then its you who is in true denial.
