Originally posted by RealityWarper
For CosmicTard :I advise you to ask a surgeon to make you a brain transplant, at this point it became an emergency.
Not only are you a coward and an unrepentant liar, that backed down twice when I pressed you to defend your thesis, you are as unwitty as they come.
I never spoke about a "combat mode" or the shit you are speaking about.
Oh no of course you didn't! You're far too stupid to think up such an ingenious explanation to what you were arguing! I did the work for you! Now stop being a coward and prove it exists! Because your arguments have created that explanation as the only one that can save you.
You kept talking about combat speed, as if that somehow differs from other applications of speed, but it doesn't. Unless time differs for combat than it does for other things. That's your argument, whether you like it or not. 🙂
I will just adress the "Superman & Flash speaking at high speed" stuff :
Translation, you will attempt to address that with lies (and avoid details relating to Batman) and then completely ignore the second example as it inconveniently reveals the gaping hole in your logic.
The time isn't frozen, bub.
That's just that the whole time they are speaking at super-speed and deciphering each other with their heightened perceptions...
My dear sweet, incapable of dressing himself idiot. Time isn't frozen. It's frozen relative to their super-speed.
Which is exactly what I said, idiot. Basically re-wording what I gave you. It's like you come *thiiis* close to understanding the intricacies of how super-speed works and then fail to put it together.
By the way, while Flash is moving at super-speeds on the scene, Superman is literally standing still...
There's these things called scans, and they prove that you are a ****ing liar, or that your memory is garbage.
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesbarrytimestop1.jpg
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbarrytimestop2.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbarrytimestop3.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbarrytimestop4.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbarrytimestop5.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supesbarrytimestop6.jpg.html
Notice how Superman is moving during the entire scene. Flash gets up to grab the pie (which falls closer to him) and start eating when the waitress slips, and as soon as he does, Superman's brain automatically speeds up to match Barry's. Superman is standing, and then while things are practically frozen around them, he then sits down and continues their conversation like normal people would. Facial expressions changing, hands moving to gesticulate, arms folding, lips moving to talk. You know, normal shit in a conversation, just simply at super speeds while the world around is not moving for them.
Supes was never standing still. He was getting up to help the lady, but Flash told him he'd do it, and since her plate was falling closer to him, he got it first, and regardless, when he moved Supes' eyes followed the entire scene, automatically speeding up.
Seeing as Batman would be frozen relative to their perceptions too,--and you claim Batman is faster than Superman in combat speed--, that means that you are passively agreeing with the scenario that if Batman were inserted into the scene and if Superman were to suddenly throw a jab at Batman's head while he's frozen, that Batman's body and brain would suddenly speed up to dodge it. 😂
You completely ignored the part about Batman because you'd have to admit to the phucking twisted non-logic that is idiotic position, and concede that you are in essence agreeing with this non-existent 'combat time' argument that I've explained your position to be.
You don't understand how speed works. I get it. It's ok. You are not unique in this situation. Lots of people on this forum don't, but you are unique in your attempt to distill a completely non-nonsensical explanation, as opposed to others who just try to avoid talking about it in-depth because it ruins their vs. matches.
Yes, Superman's body is slow and his mind is fast...
😂 So you agree to the Fast-Mind-Slow-Body conundrum that I gave you before, but you will inevitably fail to give examples of how Superman's mind is so fast that he sees HIMSELF as a statue or at least a slug? I'm waiting on that.
😂 Is that why his body was fast enough to tag Professor Zoom, who immediately says Superman's speed matches his own? Oh, and a street leveler was present in that scene, Rip Hunter (who unlike Batman has fighting knowledge from across eons), and he was completely useless in that fight.
Is that why not only was his brain fast enough to keep up with Barry while Barry was using his speed to physically alter the city of Boulder, Colarado to resemble various landscapes and cities from Krypton's history, but his body was fast enough to CATCH Barry while he was using that same level of speed?
Is that why specifically referring to Superman's body speed, the Flash said Supes' muscles snap gravity and physics in half?
Getting less high end than that and getting more street level comparison specific, is that why his body was fast enough to catch 4 bullets shot in a crowded Gala before Batman was fast enough to even run up and punch the shooter? Lol. And the gunman was in plain sight too:
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/SupermanBullets1.jpg.html
As you can see, Superman can catch 4 bullets before Batman can even finish three words. Lmao. And as you can see, the shooter was wielding an Uzi or some other similar semi-automatic, not a mere handgun with a slow fire rate.
And as you can see, he can even catch those same bullets with two fingers if he chooses. Which makes it multiple times harder than mere bullet-timing. (The same way catching a fly with chop sticks is orders of magnitude harder than batting it with a swatter.)
But, let me guess, the above with Batman is not a combat situation right? What if Superman decided to throw a punch at Batman in that scene instead is what you are thinking, right? Superman's casually faster than automatic bulletfire body is suddenly going to be slowed down because "combat time" is in effect right?
I think I'm slowly understanding your backwards thinking. 🙂
Superman also said he's fast enough to put Batman behind bars before Bats would even realize he had moved. Bats agreed that he could.
And then later, he proves that speed to be reality, when on a cruise ship he forcibly flew Batman out of view, forcibly changed his clothes (...pause) so that he was in civilian clothes again, and Batman could not react at all. In an instant. Superman moved so fast for Batman, that Bruce started barfing immediately.
But let me guess, that's not a combat situation right? If Superman decided to do something that's far simpler and less complicated, like throw a punch, Batman would have reacted, right?
Superman must have some kind of weird backwards speed. Where he can do complicated tasks that require thought and subtle movements faster than he can do simple, instinctive straightforward tasks like throwing a punch or moving away from one.
I guess if Superman fights a street leveler in the future, he should simply stick to using his "strip them of their clothes before their blink" muscles to win the fight, instead of his "throw a punch" muscles. Because clearly his "throw a punch" muscles are too slow for a street leveler. 😂
To claim Superman's brain is too fast for his own body is one of the most historically epic, tall claims I've seen (and an incredibly stupid one). And of course, tall claims require tall evidence. I'm waiting.
I hope you are coming to grips with how ****ing stupid your argument is. I hope so.
However heightened reflexes / perception don't give you the ability to fight faster and contrary to your lies I already several times in the various threads... The point is that your reading & comprehending skills are below the ones of a monkey.
Yes. They. Do.
And you are as confused as you are stupid, you never debunked shit with me, and you say 'several times', when you've only responded to me once before, and it was after I tore your garbage Starcraft example to shreds, and you didn't respond with a single other example, in fact all you did in response to me was say a short paragraph that amounted to "No u!"
Your examples had to do with people, trained to do different things, thus different muscle memories for different tasks. They are people, so they all have the same rough base speed and reflexes, but in your examples they were doing different things. And yet you completely failed to account for the fact that since they ARE people, they can be cross-trained on those different things, since, you know, they are people, and people are all fairly comparable to each other. Since you know, they are people, and thus of the same species. (Hopefully I'm laying it on thick enough for you to ****ing get it).
Let me give you an example, of how shit your analogies were.
Let's take two men. Both of equal athletic ability.
One is a master mason and brick layer. One is a professional fighter.
They have a competition at brick laying and obviously the Mason wins over the professional fighter. He does it faster as its all he does. Muscle memory and comfort with it.
They have a fight, and obviously the mason gets destroyed. Does this change anything?
No. They are of equal physical ability, so their base speed and reflexes are equivalent. They are simply trained to do different things are more fluid and natural at their respective tasks. They can of course, be cross-trained on both and get better at both.
If you ask them both to throw a completely basic punch, they will both have a comparable showing, because, well, they are physical equals. Between physical equals skill matters though, and one person will be able to link punches together fluidly and see the telegraphing of incoming blows and defend accordingly, and one will be out of his depth.
The fact remains however that the Mason's body will still move FASTER when he is in a fight than when he's laying bricks or what not.
One is a slow, meticulous, thought-heavy task (building/repairing), and one is an fast, instinctual, reflex based task (fighting). So obviously his body will move faster in a fight than it does in anything else.
Now, Let's take the Mason and Pro-fighter and give them both Quicksilver-level speed. Fast enough to travel from the East coast to the West coast in mere seconds.
Does the situation change for them? No, the base speed and physical ability level is still equal between them, and their muscle memory for their specialized tasks is still in effect.
But what happens if we ask them each to fight an expert street level fighter?
Let's have them fight Gambit.
How do they each perform? They both perform the same. Seeing as they are both several hundreds of times faster than Gambit, (the kind of difference between a Man and slug).
Mason Quicksilver and Fighter Quicksilver both knock out Gambit in a millisecond. One version will simply do it with a better looking punch than the other.
If I'm hundreds of times faster than someone (again, the kind of difference you can expect between a person and a slug), they can be an expert fighter all they want, because there is no way to outfight me. Unless of course, "COMBAT TIME!" exists and my muscles slow down as soon as I throw a punch at him because I entered the dreaded "Combat Situation", where all rules change apparently according to your shit for brains logic. 🙂
So basically, as I was saying, and again this is what the second example was meant to illustrate to you, if Superspeed from regular tasks does not carry over to combat, that is equivalent to saying combat has a different mode of time that slows some people down and speeds some people up. 🙂
Apparently Superman's body is fast enough to repair a city (while weakened by kryptonite mind you), but suddenly his muscles would slow down by at least millions of times when he is throwing a punch, such that he is below Batman. 🙂
This is the complete opposite of reality, dumb****. Your muscles would move even faster in a fight than they would in any other situation. Adrenaline and instincts and all. If I'm fast enough to stack billions of bricks back together and sculpt building shapes and create glass panes and paint and do all that shit in mere seconds, I am more than fast enough to react to an incoming punch or kick from a mere street leveler who would absolutely fail to even keep an eye on me while I do the above.
Yes, Superman has some low feats against street levelers, but just in case it wasn't obvious enough for you to decipher the way it is for the rest of us, the reason is because of a thing called jobbing. Jobber Auras are stronger with street levelers than they are with anyone else proportionately, seeing as they should realistically be written to be useless around Meta-humans, the opposite often gets written in comics because they don't want to shit on particular characters and make them useless.
Of course Superman has plenty of feats of making street levelers look useless in speed as well as everything else too.
Superman has made Jay Gerrick, Power Girl, Red Tornado, and a handful of high end street levelers like Batman, Karate Kid, Black Canary and Speedy look like statues.
And this is a forum setting where people get their highest settings.
Not Superman at ShadowDragon level settings where he has a hard time with a guy who is only 'faster than human thought'--which is not impressive at all, speed of thought is quite slow by the way--, and we know Superman is the very opposite of slow, more like the second fastest hero in comics.
Good day guys.Have fun reading stories with your fanboys glasses, your bias, your immaturity and your disrespectful attitude that makes you nothing but petty whiny childish posters.
Like a case of bad herpes, we sincerely hope you don't return.
*sigh*
It seems that ComicTard don't get that the woman trying to catch back her dishes and stuff is moving more in the panels than Superfarmboy but hey, why bother with all the details when extreme fanboyism solves everything for you...
I already adressed the brain speed & covered pretty everything in that thread :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=621891&pagenumber=10
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Why isn't he affected by the time suspension? He is shown as affected both times.Heck, Hal stopped time around the whole planet.
This is just lulzworthy.
Haha, what? He was fighting at nanosecond level speed and was aware that he was weakening with each passing nanosecond.
Are you simply going to ignore anything and everything?
And my answer to those "questions" :
Superman said that for some reason he is sped-up and that counters the time-suspension. It doesn't make him faster than usual.
In the other scan, Superman just said that he is feeling weaker each nanosecond. Ok.
At worst that shows that his brain speed allows him to feel the time passing each nanosecond if that's not a figure of speech but overall it doesn't matter because Superman doesn't fight faster than anyone in the scan that you provided.
But that's true, "someone's memory" is garbage.
Some people never learnt...
By the way I've barely looked at your walls of text, ComicTard, just because I was bored and I was curious to go through the "ignore" function that already afflict your amusing, out-of-context, out-of-ability-to-understand-what-you-are-reading walls of text...
Have at thee.
My dear RealityTard, I have the scans given right in front of you, and I challenge you to point out where this non-existent phenomenon that only you can see is happening. Maybe the years of dog shit and paint chips diet has given your eyes the nutrients to see into the ether.
Supes and Flash spent dozens and dozens of panels and several pages simply talking and conversing at that Superspeed, including lengthy flashbacks, and the lady's outstretched hand and mid-air coffee spill remained exactly where it was the whole. You only see movement in the last page (2nd panel), where she is suddenly turned around 180 degrees, and that's because, you see, Flash and Superman went back to normal speed and Flash grabbed her. 🙂 They got up, payed, and left, at normal speed. I'm sorry that was so difficult for you to understand what was going on in that scene. It must be hard to have your learning disability.
Flash and Supes carried on a conversation that probably took them what felt like at least 10 minutes to complete, and during that entire time the lady and her coffee is exactly where she started on page 1, mid-air. Superman on the other hand is able to stand up, sit down, move his lips, cross his arms, move the headband around, point at it, change facial expressions, basically, do all the normal movements that a person does in a conversation, because, well, it was a normal conversation to him. It was just at super speed. But to him that's normal. 🙂
Anyway, this is what you give me?
A 4 line response to Abhi that has absolutely nothing to do with the questions that I posed for you? Btw my dear retard, your reasoning was completely wrong and shows you have no knowledge of the story, Clark was hiding his idenity from Hal, which is why he said what he did. All those guys, including your precious street levelers, were frozen because they were too slow, and Supes was not.
But I digress.
I asked you to give examples with scans of the Fast-Mind-Slow-Body dichotomy of Superman. Prove that he sees his own ****ing body as a statue. Because none absolutely exists. Don't duck. Do it, or concede that you made a wild claim with no ****ing proof to try to explain the logic of your position.
You dodged the 'Combat time' accusation, despite that explanation being the only (half-sane sounding) one that works for you, and that's because you know its ridiculous, but you figure being ambiguous and having no explanation for your completely warped beliefs is safer than providing an explanation that would get you laughed at. It's not. It's just makes you out to be a headless chicken with no sense of direction subsequently.
You also dodged the fact that I completely broke down your non-sensical, fallacious red-herring comparisons that have absolutely nothing to do with 'speed doesn't transfer' and everything to do with differing muscle memory for different tasks that can be cross trained. I did this by giving an example of my own that explains why you got it wrong. I can almost understand why you misunderstood what you did at first with your incorrect 'speed doesn't transfer' line of thinking, but after continuous explanations, its clear now. You don't understand a damn thing about super speed and how it works. I get it. We get it.
I look forward to seeing how you will continously dodge my examples and the prevailing question therewithin of how Superman's muscles can magically move at massively hypersonic speeds by repairing entire buildings in mere seconds (which he has several feats of), yet if he tries to throw a punch he will move slower than Batman. Must be that dreaded combat time again, magically slowing his muscles down by factors of hundreds of thousands or more. Or maybe its an even more bizarre explanation, maybe Superman's muscles are completely unlike our own and he has countless sets of them, all switching place through a pocketspace.
He has "Reading millions of books in a library in a few seconds" muscles, he has "catching hundreds bullets out of thin air" muscles, he has "moving faster than the eye can see" muscles, he has "repairing a city in seconds" muscles, he has "outrun an explosion" muscles, he has "react to a photon" muscles, he has "faster than radiation" muscles, he has "keep up with the flash" muscles...
But as soon as he switches to those combat muscles tho! Apparently he slows down! Maybe his combat muscles are just much slower than his infinite array of other activity muscles. Maybe its the only set that can't move at Super speed. Maybe this was your explanation, since you apparently are trying to distance yourself from the "combat time" explanation. What do you think?
If only his combat triceps could move as fast as his bullet catching triceps! If only!
Your command of the English language is iffy, your comprehension is remedial, your resolve to actually learn from your mistakes is non-existent, and you are apparently a coward for contemplating the ignore function. Apparently I'm too hard on you and ask questions that are too tough for your puerile brain to understand. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings too bad, I'm equally harsh to anyone who is as slug like at understanding basic ideas as yourself.
So let's just meet halfway, don't participate in threads about super speed, since you've demonstrated that you don't understand its applications. Go ahead and put me on ignore, just to be safe.
Originally posted by RealityWarperAnd my answer to those "questions" :
Your answer?
Pardon me, I'm going to laugh for awhile.
But that's true, "someone's memory" is garbage.
Some people never learnt...
By the way I've barely looked at your walls of text, ComicTard, just because I was bored and I was curious to go through the "ignore" function that already afflict your amusing, out-of-context, out-of-ability-to-understand-what-you-are-reading walls of text...
Have at thee.
Run away Enzeru lite.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
The one who doesn't get it is you retard warperRetard warper's logic:
Galactus cannot lift a house because there is no scans of him doing it. 😂
Bro! You don't understand man!
It's just combat time!
Just because you can casually extend your arm out to catch a hypersonic tank shell, doesn't mean you can extend your arm out at the exact same speed to throw a punch! Time discriminates depending on your activity!
Or maybe its just different sets of muscles! Your tank shell catching triceps are probably just hundreds of times faster than your throw a punch triceps!
Likewise, Galactus only has destroy a solar system energy also, if he tries to destroy a house, he will fail.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Bro! You don't understand man!It's just combat time!
Just because you can casually extend your arm out to catch a hypersonic tank shell, doesn't mean you can extend your arm out at the exact same speed to throw a punch! Time discriminates depending on your activity!
Or maybe its just different sets of muscles! Your tank shell catching triceps are probably just hundreds of times faster than your throw a punch triceps!
Likewise, Galactus only has destroy a solar system energy also, if he tries to destroy a house, he will fail.
You scored a 10 with that combat time, talking time, taking a dump time.
And now another 10 with the combat tricep vs building tricep being a different set of muscles.
It is honestly the only logical explanation that will come up from Retard Warper, sad thing Carver also somehow champions this idea 😂
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Have fun reading stories with your fanboys glasses, your bias, your immaturity and your disrespectful attitude that makes you nothing but petty whiny childish posters.
😆
Considering how dedicated a troll you are, and trolls are immensely immature and disrespectful, irony has ripped apart your rectum.
It seems that some Nerd Rage allowed the posters in here to spread more fallacies but thanks to the "ignore" function :
Oh, and :
Superman = No combat speed.
Darkseid = Slow brick.
You claims looks like a self-punch into the face...
Poor Superfarmboy, he can't avoid a single attack per panel...
Can't block a high kick, can't block a low kick, can't block a punch in his face...
SLOW.
Even the characters in the comics agree with me :
He can't even block or dodge Thor's attack (and this comic book is canon to DC)... Besides one obvious when he is on the ground... *sigh*
Slowperman is at Slowdinson's level...
