Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Good job at ignoring the other ones. I couldn't expect less from you 👆And lol at sentry being equal to peak owen.
Btw 52 Flash is the same flash as pre flashpoint and this flash does not tap into the speed force like wally, barry IS the speed force. 👆
You are welcome, that knowledge I'll share it with you for free 🙂
I'm not ignoring the other ones, I'm just avoiding to derail this thread like you do.
You only post scans out-of-context and with character statement.
Hell, you don't make the difference with the travel speed of the characters and their actual combat speed...
New 52 Flash is Barry Allen. He is different Flash like New 52 Superman is different than PC Superman.
New 52 Wally West (ginger guy) is a different character than the New 52 (black guy).
I'm glad to educate you. No problem. 🙂
Originally posted by the Darkone
Owen wasn't even trying to win, he wanted to lose, he wanted to be punish and that's panel.Owen powers only worked in local area, like master said his powers weren't even global, dark regin MM was mid trans at best not even close to his passive normal levels which are far above sky fathers and elder gods and that's some serious raw power between those two teers. Evil MM is by far the most powerful for he doesn't give a phuck, he could've collapse the whole damn multiverse upon when fighting beyonder
Owen killed Sentry 3 times on panel and toyed with the Avengers.
One of his construct accused him to want to loose and he said that he don't.
Owen didn't want to loose however he was embarassed because he didn't want to be spotted in his town and he is not very smart to figure out new solutions to his problems.
Nope.
Owen chosen to limite his actions to his city because he didn't want to attract the attention of the heroes. He didn't limit the range of his powers, he chosen not to use it, that's different.
Dark Reign MM had no mental inhibitions, as Marvel showed in the Dark Reign Files and therefore he was at full power.
It's not hard to understand.
Evil MM is far less powerful than the true one whom made him believe that he was unable to control the organic molecules.
Kubik confirmed that normal Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil Molecule Man in Fantastic Four Annual #27.
I don't care about your opinion because that's not what happened in the comics.
Sentry is far more powerful than Molecule Man and it's enough information to say that he will stomp Darkseid.
Hell, the lord of Apokolips isn't even close to be an Universal-being.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm not ignoring the other ones, I'm just avoiding to derail this thread like you do.You only post scans out-of-context and with character statement.
Hell, you don't make the difference with the travel speed of the characters and their actual combat speed...
New 52 Flash is Barry Allen. He is different Flash like New 52 Superman is different than PC Superman.
New 52 Wally West (ginger guy) is a different character than the New 52 (black guy).I'm glad to educate you. No problem. 🙂
Owen killed Sentry 3 times on panel and toyed with the Avengers.
One of his construct accused him to want to loose and he said that he don't.
Owen didn't want to loose however he was embarassed because he didn't want to be spotted in his town and he is not very smart to figure out new solutions to his problems.
Nope.
Owen chosen to limite his actions to his city because he didn't want to attract the attention of the heroes. He didn't limit the range of his powers, he chosen not to use it, that's different.
Dark Reign MM had no mental inhibitions, as Marvel showed in the Dark Reign Files and therefore he was at full power.
It's not hard to understand.
Evil MM is far less powerful than the true one whom made him believe that he was unable to control the organic molecules.
Kubik confirmed that normal Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil Molecule Man in Fantastic Four Annual #27.I don't care about your opinion because that's not what happened in the comics.
Sentry is far more powerful than Molecule Man and it's enough information to say that he will stomp Darkseid.
Hell, the lord of Apokolips isn't even close to be an Universal-being.
Lol at this guy.
Your logic is sound.
BTW Barry Allen is Barry Allen in both continuities you should read flashpoint.
Of course I couldn't expect any less of an arrogant fallacious poster as your self (my peesonal opinion btw)
Also I haven't post any scans genious, I just quoted someone else who posted scans. This gives me an insight of your "deductive" capabilities and how much attention you pay to everything
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol at this guy.Your logic is sound.
BTW Barry Allen is Barry Allen in both continuities you should read flashpoint.
Of course I couldn't expect any less of an arrogant fallacious poster as your self (my peesonal opinion btw)
Also I haven't post any scans genious, I just quoted someone else who posted scans. This gives me an insight of your "deductive" capabilities and how much attention you pay to everything
There is nothing arrogant in what I said I'm just making an observation.
I know that you quoted someone else, and ?
You are the one literally supporting his point of view and asking me to answer to what you posted.
Whatever you can't use the scans of Jay and Wally as feat for the New 52 Barry Allen.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
There is nothing arrogant in what I said I'm just making an observation.I know that you quoted someone else, and ?
You are the one literally supporting his point of view and asking me to answer to what you posted.
Whatever you can't use the scans of Jay and Wally as feat for the New 52 Barry Allen.
Lol you are accusing me of posting scans out of context. When I haven't post any scans. I quoted someone else.
Also please let me know if you need the flashpoint scans and if you need me to take you by the hand and explain them to you.
The rest is just blabber.
Btw I will like you to prove that Jimmy Olsen can defeat Galactus. Should I open the proper thread so you can show me your logical fallacies skills?
I will gladly open it so you can enlight us.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I personally thought Barry was the same pre, during, and post Flashpoint:No?
He is but he lost and recovered his powers.
He is incapable to manage a large crowd of 48 people when he get surrounded he has to flee through them using his running speed, when a street-leveler like Nemesis massacre a large crowd of 100 guys without breaking a sweet in the same amount of 4 pages.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He is but he lost and recovered his powers.He is incapable to manage a large crowd of 48 people when he get surrounded he has to flee through them using his running speed, when a street-leveler like Nemesis massacre a large crowd of 100 guys without breaking a sweet in the same amount of 4 pages.
Yeah....so he's the same guy, as we said 👆 Glad we agree.
Edit: he's not in this thread, so moot. Just wanted to help!
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol you are accusing me of posting scans out of context. When I haven't post any scans. I quoted someone else.Also please let me know if you need the flashpoint scans and if you need me to take you by the hand and explain them to you.
The rest is just blabber.
Btw I will like you to prove that Jimmy Olsen can defeat Galactus. Should I open the proper thread so you can show me your logical fallacies skills?
I will gladly open it so you can enlight us.
You are playing with words and trolling in derailing that thread via posting scans unrelated to the topic.
Explain to me what is your point in posting scans of the Flashes in a thread about Darkseid and Sentry/Void ???
I don't see in what it is relevant.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/post
post 1 (pōst)
n.
6. An electronic message sent to and displayed on an online forum: ignored several inflammatory posts.
Oh yeah that's the very definition of posting...
By the way if you can't handle Barry Allen being badder than Nemesis at fighting why don't you write at DC about it ?
I'm done speaking about that so if you want to derail that thread even more go find another pigeon.
/ignore Flash topic
Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are playing with words and trolling in derailing that thread via posting scans unrelated to the topic.Explain to me what is your point in posting scans of the Flashes in a thread about Darkseid and Sentry/Void ???
I don't see in what it is relevant.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/post
post 1 (pōst)
n.6. An electronic message sent to and displayed on an online forum: ignored several inflammatory posts.
Oh yeah that's the very definition of posting...
By the way if you can't handle Barry Allen being badder than Nemesis at fighting why don't you write at DC about it ?
I'm done speaking about that so if you want to derail that thread even more go find another pigeon.
/ignore Flash topic
Run away, run while you can 🙂
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Run away, run while you can 🙂
Sentry catch Darkseid and rip his body in half.
Sentry TP Darkseid and possess him.
Sentry hit Darkseid and change his face into a pulp.
Sentry ensare Darkseid with his tendrils and crush him.
Sentry erase Darkseid from the DC Universe via reality warping.
Anything else ?
There is so much options for him to win that match...
First they have to spend like 4 pages trying to explain to the slow that what if sources are not canon material nor acceptable.
Another 20 pages will be wasted in showing how klaw can defeat a mentally unstable Owen and that Dark Avengers Owen was not even close to his peak power levels.
Another 25 pages to convince a fanboy that Sentry will get owned by Darkseid.
I don't know you guys, but based on the level of density of mr what if guy, I will rather sit this one out.
Not feeling babysitting the short bus.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
First they have to spend like 4 pages trying to explain to the slow that what if sources are not canon material nor acceptable.Another 20 pages will be wasted in showing how klaw can defeat a mentally unstable Owen and that Dark Avengers Owen was not even close to his peak power levels.
Another 25 pages to convince a fanboy that Sentry will get owned by Darkseid.
I don't know you guys, but based on the level of density of mr what if guy, I will rather sit this one out.
Not feeling babysitting the short bus.
You are not the one whom will explain everything to me.
You don't know anything about Owen Reece, nor about Sentry.
Owen's mental stability doesn't matter.
The only thing that affect his powers is his beliefs on them.
I will repost the scan from Dark Reign Files that literally counter again your ridiculous attempt at making you appear knowledgeable :
"Molecular control over all matter ONLY LIMITED BY HIS OWN MENTAL INHIBITIONS".
And just above in the same picture :
"placing conditions upon his own power, SUCH HAS his EARLY BELIEF he was incapable of manipulating genetic material".
But Owen got rid of his mental inhibitions like this one about manipulating the genetic material :
Which means that he was at full power as he got rid of all the negative beliefs he had placed upon his abilities PREVIOUS to his incarceration into the raft.
And again from the Avengers Most Wanted Files (the scan that you are used to spam out-of-context) :
"The Molecule Man can reshape all forms of matter and energy, LIMITED ONLY BY HIS BELIEF IN HIS ABILITIES."
On top of that, Tom Brevoort whom edited the Dark Avengers was asked if :
"Was the Molecule Man in that arc in that book somehow weakened / depowered, OR was he just fine and at his regular post-retcon levels ?"
And Brevoort answered :
"So far as I know he was the regular Molecule Man in that story"
Tom Brevoort meaning that Molecule Man was not weakened, nor depowered.
About the fight against Klaw, we know that Molecule Man was depowered in the story and the Avengers Most Wanted Files recall us that again :
"Owen was dispatched from the Cube, powerless, but had left a portion of his power in Volcana, and she was able to restore his power to him."
Owen just had a portion of his powers against Klaw and had to train to surpass the other Cosmic Cube-beings after and he stomped the Beyonder in Fantastic Four Annual #27.
Summary :
Owen was depowered against Klaw.
Owen was at full power against Sentry.
Sentry swated Owen like a fly.
Darkseid isn't even close to be an universal-being.
Sentry swat Darkseid like a fly.
Call me anytime you need more information (on topic and in context as you seems to enjoy to avoid both).