Here's how to make sense of it.
We go by the original where we have 70 percent Beerus still being above Red Guy. Which means Blue Guy only has to be above him by miniscule amounts. 30 percent is still a huge degree when you're dealing with many multiples beyond anything that came before.
So... let's say Red Guy Goku is 68. Blue Guy Goku could be 75 and that would still be a sizable gap in power. Gold Guy Frieza could be 80 percent which is a ways above both Red Guy Goku and Blue Guy Goku but it still leaves a lot of space for them to grow above their previous forms but still be below Beerus.
It's a percentage game and Beerus was heavily implied to be lying in Super. The next best thing is BoG. Plus someone cannot be stronger than Goku if that was true unless Beerus lost to Monaka, which doesn't seem to be the case.
And Blue Guy and Red Guy just have a difference in being able to breathe so far. Or maybe that's just a difference between Goku and Vegeta. It doesn't really matter. Has nothing to do with power level. One is a ritual, and one is a makeshift form. Vegeta cannot breathe in space at this point in time and that was the reason he went deaded.
They also don't need super duper feats to be besterer because the first arc already set a precedence for the level. It'd also be hard to explain how they keep ruining everything but they're heroes.
Tbh, even if the blast killed Vegeta, it wouldn't be an isolated incident within DB.
I'd just rank it with Semi-Perfect Cell's kamikaze killing FPSSJ Goku, for example. The only real difference is that there was a larger gap between Semi-Perfect Cell and FPSSJ Goku than there was between 4th form Freeza and SSB Vegeta. /shrug
With Gokou it's easily explained, because he has been shown in Super/RoF to be extremely vulnerable when he isn't serious in a fight. While for Vegeta, he's the opposite. Always has his guard up,
But planetary explosions have been deadly even up into the Buu Saga. So much that they thought it would kill even Buu. Freeza has been the most durable person in DBZ ever. And can live, albeit not regenerate, as long as his body isn't completely destroyed.
Originally posted by KentoExactly. And that's why I wouldn't have thought of it as a poor showing even if Vegeta would have been killed.
But planetary explosions have been deadly even up into the Buu Saga. So much that they thought it would kill even Buu. Freeza has been the most durable person in DBZ ever. And can live, albeit not regenerate, as long as his body isn't completely destroyed.
Aside from that, the power behind energy attacks in DB cannot be measured by the amount of collateral damage they cause. This, too, has always been the case.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialThe punches weren't universal at their epicenter--not even close. The farther outward the shockwaves spread, the more powerful they became. That's why the shockwaves felt on earth were barely strong enough to push earthlings to their knees, while distant planets were obliterated by them.
Based on him being a god and able to withstand universal punches.
Originally posted by Galan007
The punches weren't universal at their epicenter--not even close. The farther outward the shockwaves spread, the more powerful they became. That's why the shockwaves felt on earth were barely strong enough to push earthlings to their knees, while distant planets were obliterated by them.
Its been months since the episode yet that explanation still sounds incredibly dumb.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
When Goku was in god mode, he didn't have to turn his ki on and off.I have no doubt his godly ki can make him survive a planetary explosion. On top of him being able to breath in space now.
He has also blocked and deflected planetary blasts
The blast wad greater than universe at the center of said punches. That is the reason Goku and Beerus felt more of the attack than the Kais. I don't think any sane man would say the Kai's are more durable than Goku and Beerus and again, they tanked the shockwave's that went all the way into their dimension.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaI completely agree. That's the explanation we were given, though. /shrug
Its been months since the episode yet that explanation still sounds incredibly dumb.
Originally posted by carver9Funny that the exact opposite was stated in the episode itself... mmm
The blast wad greater than universe at the center of said punches.
Originally posted by Galan007
I completely agree. That's the explanation we were given, though. /shrugFunny that the exact opposite was stated in the episode itself... mmm
Nothing was ever said about the center of the attack though. Just the shockwave's. Beerus and Goku felt the blunt of the attack. Please look at the scene and look at Goku and Beerus reaction when the attack went off versus what the Kais went through when the shockwave's hit them.