Originally posted by Galan007I would think an exhausted Freeza power would make 4th form way below SSB Vegeta when base Goku was > full powered 4th form Freeza. So the difference between Freeza and Vegeta is probably greater than the Semi perfect Cell and FPSSJ Goku. Because base to just super saiyan is 50x and who knows if ssb makes that higher. And I don't think FPSSJ Goku was 50x Kamiccolo. Since that would mean base Goku would have to at least had equaled 18 and that is doubtful.
I would have said the same thing about Semi-Perfect Cell harming FPSSJ Goku... Until I saw Goku get killed by Cell's kamikaze.And as I mentioned earlier: the difference between Semi-Perfect Cell and FPSSJ Goku was substantially greater than the difference between 4th form Freeza and SSB Vegeta. So yeah, even if the blast would have killed Vegeta, it's not like it would have been some new concept--in fact, it would have actually made more sense than Cell killing Goku... /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007Everytime they reach out to the filipinos they get bad looking episodes.
This is a great reminder of why I no longer follow this show. Absolutely atrocious. 😘
I don't know why they'd get shitty animators for such a throwback fight though. First form Frieza looks good. Golden Frieza looks good. 4th form Frieza lol. And then he looks good for 2 minutes of the next episode.
Originally posted by Galan007
Obviously their punches hurt one another. That doesn't mean the energy was universal, however. As stated in the episode itself: the energy released became vastly more powerful/destructive the further outward it spread. IOW, it was the weakest at the center, and the most powerful at the end.
They didn't punch each other though. Goku and Beerus was pushed back by the energy that came from their punches whereas the Kais didn't budge. I think you need to look at the episode again. Beerus and Goku felt the attack
Originally posted by Galan007
I think you need to watch it again, carver. It was explicitly stated that the energy/shockwaves generated from their attacks became vastly more powerful the further outward it spread. Those are the facts from the episode itself, whether you like it or not.
Thats when its going outwards but the CENTER was more destructive as shown here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxncbeyLgoE
The shockwaves reached the Kais. What happened to them? Nothing.
Look at what happens to Goku and Beerus. They are slung from the center of said attack. After the second clash, Beerus and Goku showed scuff marks. They didn't land a single hit on each other, it was the center of the attack that damaged them whereas again, the Kais (who would feel the blunt of the shockwaves) didn't budge.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sometimes, I don't even think Carver believes the shit he pettles.
Please look at the scene above. Goku and Beerus is screaming and pushed away from the shockwaves of their attack. The Kais TANKED the force that was generated from both Goku and Beerus Universal crusher. Now please put 2 and 2 together.
carver, even you aren't this stupid.
Goku and Beerus were flung back as a result of the feedback from their punches contacting one another with exactly the same power behind them--Newton's 3rd Law in action. However, the punches were NOT universal at their epicenter. Not only does the clip you posted prove everything I've said, but this fact was EXPLICITLY NOTED in Ep.12:
Elder Kaioshin: "It seems that the destructive power increases the further removed it gets from the generation point. We're done for...The universe will be destroyed. If those two clash a few more times, then people, planets, us gods, even Beerus-sama and Goku...Everything will be totally destroyed. This universe will become a vacuum, devoid of anything."
And just in case you're not clear: this is the "generation point":
Please don't act like a moron.
Originally posted by Galan007
carver, even you aren't this stupid.Goku and Beerus were flung back as a result of the feedback from their punches contacting one another with exactly the same power behind them--Newton's 3rd Law in action. However, the punches were NOT universal at their epicenter. Not only does the clip you posted prove everything I've said, but this fact was EXPLICITLY NOTED in Ep.12:
Elder Kaioshin: "It seems that the destructive power increases the further removed it gets from the generation point. We're done for...The universe will be destroyed. If those two clash a few more times, then people, planets, us gods, even Beerus-sama and Goku...Everything will be totally destroyed. This universe will become a vacuum, devoid of anything."
Don't act like a moron.
LOL... the feedback from their punches pushed them back. I agree with that Galan. The thing that aids my argument even further is, Goku and Beerus was pushed back as soon as the shockwaves started to surface.
This is a simple concept. The Kais are either more durable than Goku and Beerus since they didn't budge during the attack, or Beerus and Goku felt the blunt of said attack since it pushed them off and had them screaming. Again, they sat in that position until the shockwaves surfaced and then they were pushed back.
I'm done with this topic though since I know I will not convince you of anything. You can believe the Kais are more durable if you want.
LOL... the shockwaves did become more powerful as it went across the universe, that still doesn't take away from the center, ya know, the starting point of the shockwaves being the most destructive. The showing proves this. Dont know how much clearer this can get for anyone.
Beerus and Goku was pushed back by something. I know what pushed them back and had them all scuffed up, I wonder if you know because it sure as hell was not because of them punching each other because that didn't happen. They didn't budge when they connected fist either. It was clearly the shockwaves that pushed them back and had them screaming in pain. Anyways, believe what you want to believe and keep digging trying to find things to take away from the Z fighters. Kinda like there being only 4 Galaxies in the Universe. That was debunked.
You kept pressing that as evidence to take away from what Beerus and Goku achieved. Glad the writers got that out of the way.
Originally posted by carver9Lol, are you effing kidding me? none
LOL... the shockwaves did become more powerful as it went across the universe, that still doesn't take away from the center, ya know, the starting point of the shockwaves being the most destructive. The showing proves this. Dont know how much clearer this can get for anyone.
Again:
Originally posted by Galan007
Elder Kaioshin: "It seems that the destructive power increases the further removed it gets from the generation point. We're done for...The universe will be destroyed. If those two clash a few more times, then people, planets, us gods, even Beerus-sama and Goku...Everything will be totally destroyed. This universe will become a vacuum, devoid of anything."And just in case you're not clear: this is the "generation point":
Please don't act like a moron.
Again, that's why no damage was caused to the earth, but distant planets were obliterated. This is very, very simple.
Read.Compute.Comprehend. Stop acting like an idiotic troll.
Originally posted by carver9It's cute how you're trollishly digging, lol.
Kinda like there being only 4 Galaxies in the Universe. That was debunked.
Until DBS, there were only 4 galaxies in the DBU. This was canon fact for decades, confirmed in multiple sourcebooks and by Toriyama himself in interviews... But of course that isn't something I'd expect you to know, because you entirely ignore canon facts anyway. 👆
We are done. No explanation given on why Goku and Beerus felt the blunt of this whereas the humans below and the Kais didn't budge except once and that was minor. Lets move on. I think the last episode was amazing and I'm not sure if Vegeta knows what he is talking about when it comes to the Super Saiyan God form and its limitations. They might be doing that so that Beerus and Whis will not become irrelevant. Also, Beerus admitted in this episode that he held back against Red Goku.