Berserker Vegeta Gauntlet
SSJ2 Vegeta /w/ DBS rage-boost
VS.
-Round 1-
Super Boo:
-Round 2-
Shin Gohan
-Round 3-
Boohan:
-Round 4-
SSJ Vegetto
Stips:
-Vegeta can sustain his rage-boosted levels for the entire battle.
-Vegeta returns to full power after every round.
-No transmutation/absorption for the Boos.
-Fight takes place in the RoSaT.
How far does he get?
He's not beaten Gohan. Not at all.
The only reason he did good was because of rage plot. Burma got hurt, and somehow he tapped into his love rage and tickled Beerus.
We know for a fact Goku wasn't just sleeping and eating at King's Kai place, he was training his ass off everyday.
If we're considering that Vegeta was more powerful than SSj3, then we need to believe that after the BUU saga, that Vegeta did nothing but train, where as Goku barely trained.
Going back in looking at the BUU Saga, Majin SSJ2 Vegeta with at least x2 power up was almost beaten by SSJ2 Goku. Where has it was hinted that if Goku went SSJ3, he would have made Vegeta his plaything.
SSJ3's boost was far above BUU saga Vegeta, it was ridiculous. This is the same SSJ3 that was useless against Kid BUU, a weaker version of Super Buu, but just more chaotic.
Originally posted by Kento
It's possible he makes it to Buuhan. But not past. Vegeta is a better fighter than Gohan and would be around his levels in that mode. Imo anyway.
After Dragonball, being a better fighter holds little to no merit anymore. It's all about Ki.
You suck as a fighter, well guess what? You're Ki's higher, then you're stronger.
Best example of that rule. Perfect Cell was 10x the fighter Gohan was, but what happened once Gohan went SSJ2? He made Cell his step child at every turn.
An even better example was Videl vs Spopovitch, Videl was the far Better fighter, but Spopovith had more Ki, and that's why he almost killed Videl in there fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
Is there a particular reason you guys think Vegetto is more powerful?
It's just because of how absurd Vegettos power was.
I mean ssj3 goku << Super Buu <<< Shin Gohan << Buutenks < Buuhan <<< SSJ Vegetto and he wasn't even trying.
Even with the massive power Vegeta had, I can't see him beating Vegeto.
Originally posted by SquallX
After Dragonball, being a better fighter holds little to no merit anymore. It's all about Ki.You suck as a fighter, well guess what? You're Ki's higher, then you're stronger.
Best example of that rule. Perfect Cell was 10x the fighter Gohan was, but what happened once Gohan went SSJ2? He made Cell his step child at every turn.
An even better example was Videl vs Spopovitch, Videl was the far Better fighter, but Spopovith had more Ki, and that's why he almost killed Videl in there fight.
Gohan was trained by the best fighters in the world, he was no slouch.
And Spopy had some bad juju that helped him win, he couldn't really be hurt which is what made it such a bad matchup for Videl. She even broke his neck and he twisted it back.
Originally posted by SquallX
He's not beaten Gohan. Not at all.The only reason he did good was because of rage plot. Burma got hurt, and somehow he tapped into his love rage and tickled Beerus.
We know for a fact Goku wasn't just sleeping and eating at King's Kai place, he was training his ass off everyday.
If we're considering that Vegeta was more powerful than SSj3, then we need to believe that after the BUU saga, that Vegeta did nothing but train, where as Goku barely trained.
Going back in looking at the BUU Saga, Majin SSJ2 Vegeta with at least x2 power up was almost beaten by SSJ2 Goku. Where has it was hinted that if Goku went SSJ3, he would have made Vegeta his plaything.
SSJ3's boost was far above BUU saga Vegeta, it was ridiculous. This is the same SSJ3 that was useless against Kid BUU, a weaker version of Super Buu, but just more chaotic.
And yet, SSJ2 rage boosted Vegeta is demonstrably vastly more powerful than SSJ3 Goku.
Originally posted by SquallXWhat does it matter who did what?
He's not beaten Gohan. Not at all.The only reason he did good was because of rage plot. Burma got hurt, and somehow he tapped into his love rage and tickled Beerus.
We know for a fact Goku wasn't just sleeping and eating at King's Kai place, he was training his ass off everyday.
If we're considering that Vegeta was more powerful than SSj3, then we need to believe that after the BUU saga, that Vegeta did nothing but train, where as Goku barely trained.
Going back in looking at the BUU Saga, Majin SSJ2 Vegeta with at least x2 power up was almost beaten by SSJ2 Goku. Where has it was hinted that if Goku went SSJ3, he would have made Vegeta his plaything.
SSJ3's boost was far above BUU saga Vegeta, it was ridiculous. This is the same SSJ3 that was useless against Kid BUU, a weaker version of Super Buu, but just more chaotic.
The fact remains that Vegeta did a crazy amount better than anyone there. Including Mystic Gohan and SS3 Goku. Hell he actually straight up tanked a punch from the same level Beerus that was flicking and touching people to sleep.
Vegeta could have sat on his ass and ate bagels the entire time and it still wouldn't negate his performance. He was vastly more powerful than Goku and Gohan and it was even said he surpassed Goku anyway.
Hell after that it took him 6 months of training to surpass Goku's God base, so don't knock Vegeta's training.
Vegeta was way more powerful than double Gohan I'm waging so he'd beat Buuhan.
Considering how wildly above Buuhan Vegeto was it's hard to say Vegeta wins. The only indicator we have is Goku saying even Vegeto would fall to Beerus and since it's to be assumed Beerus was using about as much power against Goku as he was the other Z Fighters, that would put Vegeta in a respectable gap away from Vegeto, but that's based on some assumptions.
You could also go the Frieza power up route to try and figure out how many Mystic Gohans would fit inside 10 percent of Beerus to try as well but that requires some calculations. Vegeta making Beerus go that high however is a huge honor even though he one slapped him considering everyone else was miniscule percentages of Beerus' power. Like under 0.5 at the most
Originally posted by SquallXThat's really not a good example.
An even better example was Videl vs Spopovitch, Videl was the far Better fighter, but Spopovith had more Ki, and that's why he almost killed Videl in there fight.
Videl actually beat the tar out of Spopovich initially. The only reason Videl lost the decisive advantage is because Spopovich had seemingly limitless stamina, and relative immortality(*thx Majin-amp*.) Obviously Videl possessed neither of those deus ex abilities.
Godly ki can't be sensed, so Goku would have been entirely clueless how much power Beerus was holding back. That said, the power Beerus displayed against SSJ3 Goku is the power Goku believed was superior to fusion... And that amount of power was significantly less than Beerus used against beserker Vegeta.
Not saying this as a certainty. Just saying that I can see why some would disagree with your opinion that it is "absurd" to rank beserker Vegeta in the same tier as Vegetto. After all, it's not like Goku is just some random mook who can't be taken seriously. Where fighting/powerlevels are concerned, his word is about as infallible as it gets--especially when we haven't been given any legitimate reason to doubt his word.
Originally posted by Galan007
Godly ki can't be sensed, so Goku would have been entirely clueless how much power Beerus was holding back. That said, the power Beerus displayed against SSJ3 Goku is the power Goku believed was superior to fusion... And that amount of power was significantly less than Beerus used against beserker Vegeta.Not saying this as a certainty. Just saying that I can see why some would disagree with your opinion that it is "absurd" to rank beserker Vegeta in the same tier as Vegetto. After all, it's not like Goku is just some random mook who can't be taken seriously. Where fighting/powerlevels are concerned, his word is about as infallible as it gets--especially when we haven't been given any legitimate reason to doubt his word.
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Originally posted by Galan007
Godly ki can't be sensed, so Goku would have been entirely clueless how much power Beerus was holding back. That said, the power Beerus displayed against SSJ3 Goku is the power Goku believed was superior to fusion... And that amount of power was significantly less than Beerus used against beserker Vegeta.
Didn't even mention this; you're responding the the answer that you expected rather than the one that was given.
Also, there's no proof that Beerus was fighting at a higher level against Vegeta than he was against Goku--not until he one-shotted him, that is.