Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialThere is an argument to be made for Ultron but you are not doing a good job at doing so. How is flight a defense against the force? Especially for someone who is able to force choke beings across space while talking.
His defense from the force is he has flight and his own TK which is much stronger then Vadar's choke holds.
How are you able to prove that Ultron has TK that is stronger than Vader's? Do you want to reword that and say Ultron has greater TK feats within the movies?
From a TK standpoint (without using the TV series just the movies) Vader is able to use TK quite effectively while fighting with his saber at the same time as shown in ESB.
If Luke was in the process of lifting up his fighter ship out of the water I'm sure Vader can easily do so as Yoda did and more.
Kotor your argument is just sad. He choked beings on a screen without any combat prowess or any means of actually posing a threat anyways. They weren't able to hurt Vader in those circumstances either. Ultron is able to hurt or attack him by flying. Hell, Luke jumping out of that hole and Vader not even being aware shows movement can catch Vader clearly off guard.
Originally posted by Kotor3
There is an argument to be made for Ultron but you are not doing a good job at doing so. How is flight a defense against the force? Especially for someone who is able to force choke beings across space while talking.How are you able to prove that Ultron has TK that is stronger than Vader's? Do you want to reword that and say Ultron has greater TK feats within the movies?
From a TK standpoint (without using the TV series just the movies) Vader is able to use TK quite effectively while fighting with his saber at the same time as shown in ESB.
If Luke was in the process of lifting up his fighter ship out of the water I'm sure Vader can easily do so as Yoda did and more.
He was able to rip up large sections of road instantly and pull them out of the ground without any effort. He basically has magneto like ability with metal.
Force choke across space is impressive but how is that hurting Ultron? He is vibraium a substance that can pretty much stalemate a infinity gem, thors lightning and tri beams.
Vadar has never shown the ability to bend or hurt a metal like vibranium.
Infinity Stone and Thors Hammer are more power then any force Vadar call put together, and yet vibranium has withstood a direct charged strike from Thor when Cap blocked it and all of its other feats.
Ultron has many ways to kill vadar, but vadar has very little.
Ultron can fly, control metal, blast projection, extremely strong and durable, and pretty damn fast on his feet.
I'm leaning towards Ultron, he overall seems to have better options then Vader, especially at range where Vader best chance is using the force to damage Ultron, where as Ultron can hurl rocks, building parts and so, on Vader all day long. The Repulsar Blasts will get blocked imo, so I don't see them as a huge factor. Getting into Close Range with Vader and his Lightsaber isn't a good move either, but Ultron isn't exactly stupid, he will know to keep his distance from the guy with the glowing plasma sword. So Ultron wins by fighting smart, but trying to get physical with Vader will end poorly imo.
Comics are a bit of an iffy area, considering some films have specific tie-in comics, like some of the MCU films. For example, the tie-in comic that shows Odin sending Thor to Earth during the events of Avengers. Now that is a comic detailing events surrounding some MCU characters, and that did occur, but we do not see onscreen. So something like that I would consider canon evidence, considering it directly relates to film events and characters. Hell, I think Marvel has over 20 MCU tie-in comics by this point.
As to Star Wars, I am assuming the Before the Awakening anthology book is also canon, considering it is a series of prequel stories about Po, Rey and Finn and the events before Ep VII.