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Mind you, this same version of Thor was beat-down by BRB after he stopped holding back:
If Bill can do it, OWAW Superman can do it much easier. 🙂
Furthermore, even with the Power Gem in B&T Thor's possession, Thanos still fought him to a near standstill. Granted Thor was getting progressively stronger as the battle went on, but those two showings tell us where he was operating initially--around trans-level, max.
That said, the Probes were also trans-level when we consider their feats--and this is how casually OWAW Superman dealt with them:
So yeah, definitely going with Supes here. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
Mind you, this same version of Thor was beat-down by BRB after he stopped holding back:
If Bill can do it, OWAW Superman can do it much easier. 🙂
Furthermore, even with the Power Gem in B&T Thor's possession, Thanos still fought him to a near standstill. Granted Thor was getting progressively stronger as the battle went on, but those two showings tell us where he was operating initially--around trans-level, max.
That said, the Probes were also trans-level when we consider their feats--and this is how casually OWAW Superman dealt with them:
So yeah, definitely going with Supes here. 👆
Or that was a high showing for Bill. Remember, a single Probe koed Superman and another one broke his arm and this happened in OWAW. Let's not get to much ahead of ourselves here.
Originally posted by carver9That was BEFORE Superman entered his bloodlusted/no holds barred mindset, which enabled him to shred through Probes like fodder. It helps to know something about the characters you're discussing before you try and spout off 'facts'. 👆
Or that was a high showing for Bill. Remember, a single Probe koed Superman and another one broke his arm and this happened in OWAW. Let's not get to much ahead of ourselves here.
As for Thor: He was dropped by Bill, and, while in possession of the power gem, he was stalemated by Thanos. So again: we know he was a trans-level character, at best.
Conversely, OWAW Supes was owning trans-level Probes like they were weak feebs.
Originally posted by Galan007
That was BEFORE Superman entered his bloodlusted/no holds barred mindset, which enabled him to shred through Probes like fodder. It helps to know something about the characters you're discussing before you try and spout off 'facts'. 👆As for Thor: He was dropped by Bill, and, while in possession of the power gem, he was stalemated by Thanos. So again: we know he was a trans-level character, at best.
Conversely, OWAW Supes was owning trans-level Probes like they were weak feebs.
So Superman durability jumped 10 folds when he fought those probes? Don't understand why you are ignoring what happened before. You also failed to mention that the Probes Doomsday and Supes fought, Imperiex threw them at Superman during the time he was feeding them power.
Originally posted by carver9His overall power increased astronomically as a result of his newfound bloodlusted mindset, yes--his self-imposed limitations and whatnot were no longer neutering his abilities. This was made abundantly clear in the comic--you should read it sometime. 👆
So Superman durability jumped 10 folds when he fought those probes? Don't understand why you are ignoring what happened before.
And I'm not ignoring anything. It was a very specific version of Superman who shredded through the Probes--he was VASTLY different than the standard version who initially fought the single Probe. It's very simple; you just prefer ignoring facts.
Originally posted by carver9Scans? 🙂
You also failed to mention that the Probes Doomsday and Supes fought, Imperiex threw them at Superman during the time he was feeding them power.
Originally posted by Raisen
This is definitely one of superman's outliers and based on the limited Wm Thor showing. ..I don't think Thor can do it
The comic made it quite clear that Superman's power had increased in the scene. In fact, one of the storylines that set OWAW up, was all about Superman trying to overcome the limitations his mind put on his powers.
@Galan
In all fairness to B&T Thor, that loss to Bill due to attacking wrecklessly was the lone blimp on the radar for that version of Thor (when he recovered from that, he one shotted Bill and overpowerd Surfer lest we forget)...
Lets not leave out WM Thor:
1) Defeating Ares and Pluto together...
2) Crushing Bill the 1st time around...
3) Defeating Surfer, then defeating Warlock and Surfer together...
4) Defeating the Infinity Watch...
IMHO, WM Thor in B&T (even without the Power Gem) was operating at a very high level...
Originally posted by Galan007
That was BEFORE Superman entered his bloodlusted/no holds barred mindset, which enabled him to shred through Probes like fodder. It helps to know something about the characters you're discussing before you try and spout off 'facts'. 👆As for Thor: He was dropped by Bill, and, while in possession of the power gem, he was stalemated by Thanos. So again: we know he was a trans-level character, at best.
Conversely, OWAW Supes was owning trans-level Probes like they were weak feebs.
Now in regards to B/T Thor, are we taking an average of his overall performance throughout the entire arc, or are we taking him at his most unleashed? I say that because he seamed to shrug off attacks from these elite heralds as he sank deeper into his frenzy. Funny enough it differed even in his separate encounters with the opponents he battled. Though his insanity was a constant thing, he was still subject to varying levels of rage which affected how much of his power he unleashed. It was evident throughout the arc.
Here for example he only started to unleash his true power towards the end of his battle with Surfer and Warlock.
Thor (bloodlusted) vs Silver Surfer & Adam Warlock, from Infinity Watch #23:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock01Infi.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock07.jpg
Another instance is when he one shot ko'd PG Drax even though a few issues prior B/T, he had an issue long knock down, drag out fight with him.
To me Supes reached a state of "zen killing mode"(for lack of a better word) in which he was able to maintain for a prolonged period of time. If anything, that would be an advantage he would have over B/T Thor.
Originally posted by Galan007
His overall power increased astronomically as a result of his newfound bloodlusted mindset, yes--his self-imposed limitations and whatnot were no longer neutering his abilities. This was made abundantly clear in the comic--you should read it sometime. 👆And I'm not ignoring anything. It was a very specific version of Superman who shredded through the Probes--he was VASTLY different than the standard version who initially fought the single Probe. It's very simple; you just prefer ignoring facts.
Scans? 🙂
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI'm not saying he was capped at Bill-level, lol. I'm simply bringing up a showing that many tend to ignore.
In all fairness to B&T Thor, that loss to Bill due to attacking wrecklessly was the lone blimp on the radar for that version of Thor (when he recovered from that, he one shotted Bill and overpowerd Surfer lest we forget)...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderTrans-level IS a very high level. Certainly not suggesting otherwise. 👆
IMHO, WM Thor in B&T (even without the Power Gem) was operating at a very high level...
