Safe Spaces

Originally posted by snowdragon

Lowest unemployment figues in how long? The economy rides peaks and valleys its always recovering or in decline, grow up and deal with it.

No one needs safe places like millenials need more excuses apparently.

While I kind of agree with you (Not a millenial, ftr), unemployment figures are horribly inaccurate due to their methodology.

Originally posted by Slay
In my home country, millennials definitely have it harder than Generation X and the Babyboom-generation did. The previous two generations took advantage of socialism from after the war until the late '90s. People would stay in university until they were 35, because the government would pay for it all, they'd not work because they were getting too much money on welfare for 15+ years etc. Eventually this situation became unmanageable, add to that the economic crisis, this has left the millennial generation with a lot of burdens that the previous generations never had to deal with and without a lot of perks they could take advantage of.

Now, people have to take on crushing debt to work their way through college, have a far less adequate health care plan and can't get sufficient welfare even if they actually need it. This is all due to the complacency of the previous two generations.

Originally posted by Slay
Neither are we, we're just arguing against the statement that millennials have it easier than previous generations.

Now a case can be made for any generation having had a more difficult time than another, I'm not even interested in doing that as it would be an exercise in futility. However, claiming that millennials have it so easy is ridiculously asinine, especially when made on the premise that we have it easier because technology has advanced and we now have cellphones and computers.

This is something cultural, it will vary from country to country and region to region. If you can be bothered to scroll up a bit you can read my post about the situation in my home country, where a generation of politicians directly after WW2 and in the '50s implemented a socialist foundation for our government which allowed generations from the '60s until the '90s to be pampered until there was nothing left. This has left my generation in a far more difficult position than the two previous generations have had to endure. Yet my uncle, who has not held a job for longer than 6 months since the late '80s but managed to live a life of excess well into the 2000s because of government handouts has the audacity to spew the same nonsense about millennials that baby-boomers around the world have in recent years.

This only goes to show again how asinine having this discussion in such a general sense is. Millennials from Bosnia will have lived through a civil war, tormented by memories of ethnic cleansing and other war crimes, whereas millennials from Sweden will have lived mostly very privileged lives.

"Feel" "victim"
Some things aren't meant to be tampered with. Men just aren't men any more it seems. It ****s up everything in the family unit. Men are failing. Crime rates and divorce rates are just two indicators. Men are becoming women and that has never worked

What does that mean to YOU, good lord how hard is that.

Let me say I am speaking from the USA and speak from that perspective as well as from 1st world countries. If you are failing today you probably need to look at what your doing not blame everything around you that you cannot control.

Originally posted by snowdragon
What does that mean to YOU, good lord how hard is that.

Let me say I am speaking from the USA and speak from that perspective as well as from 1st world countries. If you are failing today you probably need to look at what your doing not blame everything around you that you cannot control.

I feel like the two of you have not fully read any of my posts, just write knee-jerk reactions after reading one or two sentences.

Originally posted by snowdragon
What does that mean to YOU, good lord how hard is that.

Let me say I am speaking from the USA and speak from that perspective as well as from 1st world countries. If you are failing today you probably need to look at what your doing not blame everything around you that you cannot control.

For millenials in America sure the have some stuff harder then previous generations. Yet they also have a lot of stuff that is way way way way way easier.

I really was talking about people in America, not people in other countries with wars, etc. going on.

Originally posted by Surtur
For millenials in America sure the have some stuff harder then previous generations. Yet they also have a lot of stuff that is way way way way way easier.

I really was talking about people in America, not people in other countries with wars, etc. going on.

I mean hey sure getting in debt just to pay for college sucks. On the other hand it's a lot better then problems those here might of faced in previous generations. Like I don't know..potentially being drafted into the military and sent to war, for starters. Not everyone went to Vietnam by choice, just to give an example.

EDIT: Or look at certain minorities..who had a far far harder time living in this country in previous generations as opposed to now. Things still aren't perfect, but they are way way better then they used to be.

Slay, what is your home country?

Also, I'd say there's a huge difference between milennials born in 2002 and the ones born in mid to late 80s.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Slay, what is your home country?

Also, I'd say there's a huge difference between milennials born in 2002 and the ones born in mid to late 80s.

Originally posted by Slay
especially the baby-boom generation in NL who often display the entitled whining attributed to millennials in this thread.

Well you just illustrated another problem so I'm glad you said this. You see there is a strange cultural nostalgia for the "good ol days". You'll hear some people from those generations talk about how times were simpler, but also better. They are just as misguided as the kids of this generation who are throwing public tantrums over halloween costumes.

Originally posted by Slay
The Netherlands. Now overall, compared to a lot of other places in the world, I'd say millennials in NL still have it good. Just not compared to Generation X and especially the baby-boom generation in NL who often display the entitled whining attributed to millennials in this thread. I have my own uncle as a prime example of that...

Similar situation to Norway from what I can tell.

A lot of people required student loans 20-30 years ago, but they were far more lucrative and there was a greater availability of part time employment.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Similar situation to Norway from what I can tell.

A lot of people required student loans 20-30 years ago, but they were far more lucrative and there was a greater availability of part time employment.

The same story could be repeated for all kinds of government benefits. People took advantage of this for decades and now there's nothing left for my generation. Yet baby-boomers are still complaining that they should get more welfare like they used to, while I've had to move to another country to get a decent-paying job.

Originally posted by Slay
In the Netherlands the government supplied a grant for all students that would pay for their tuition and cost of living. This would be supplied until someone finished their degree. Then, students could reapply for their Master's, Ph.D. etc. This resulted in scores of people becoming ''professional students'', taking as long as they needed to finish University and not doing a lick of actual work until they finally finished their degree in their 30's. Needless to say this eventually had adverse effects and the government had to drastically cut in the financial aid it would give. If the previous generations would've taken their responsibility and not have taken more money than they needed, millennials would not have had to go into debt to get a BA, let alone a Master's.

The same story could be repeated for all kinds of government benefits. People took advantage of this for decades and now there's nothing left for my generation. Yet baby-boomers are still complaining that they should get more welfare, while I've had to move to another country to get a decent-paying job.

Thanks for the explanation, yes that is a tough spot.

Good thing your successful at this point. Thanks for the share, generational bitching should eat shit, except mine I'm adverse to eating poop 💃

Baby boomers are now old though and old people complain. Makes you sort of wish Bugs Bunny would really come and send Florida elsewhere. *shaking fist in the general direction of Florida*

Originally posted by Slay
In the Netherlands the government supplied a grant for all students that would pay for their tuition and cost of living. This would be supplied until someone finished their degree. Then, students could reapply for their Master's, Ph.D. etc. This resulted in scores of people becoming ''professional students'', taking as long as they needed to finish University and not doing a lick of actual work until they finally finished their degree in their 30's. Needless to say this eventually had adverse effects and the government had to drastically cut in the financial aid it would give. If the previous generations would've taken their responsibility and not have taken more money than they needed, millennials would not have had to go into debt to get a BA, let alone a Master's.

The same story could be repeated for all kinds of government benefits. People took advantage of this for decades and now there's nothing left for my generation. Yet baby-boomers are still complaining that they should get more welfare like they used to, while I've had to move to another country to get a decent-paying job.

Shame the system was abused, because it was a great deal.

In Norway each student is entitled to a loan to cover their cost of living. You are can receive this for a maximum of 6-7 years, and each student is expected to take 30 credits a semester, and if you pass all your exams then 40% of the loan is turned into a scholarship. If you fall 60 credits behind then you do not qualify for a loan.

Simple enough, but the loan is meagre as shit. It's around 90k kroner a year (10k euro I guess), and you need roughly 100-120k to make ends meet. Part-time employment is a ***** to come by, and an apartment can easily run you 70k a year.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You shouldn't need to create safe spaces. People should just learn not to be assholes and set aside the little time it takes to understand what makes other people uncomfortable and do their best to avoid those things.

Same thing with political correctness. 95% of the time, being PC just boils down to being polite and considering other people's sensibilities before shooting your mouth off. People who take a stand against "PC culture" are often just too lazy to make any effort to not offend people.

So very true. I was going to say that every place is a safe place until Mr. and Mrs. Dumponurshit arrives.

Originally posted by Slay
In my home country, millennials definitely have it harder than Generation X and the Babyboom-generation did. The previous two generations took advantage of socialism from after the war until the late '90s. People would stay in university until they were 35, because the government would pay for it all, they'd not work because they were getting too much money on welfare for 15+ years etc. Eventually this situation became unmanageable,

Originally posted by Surtur
Well you just illustrated another problem so I'm glad you said this. You see there is a strange cultural nostalgia for the "good ol days". You'll hear some people from those generations talk about how times were simpler, but also better. They are just as misguided as the kids of this generation who are throwing public tantrums over halloween costumes.

That incident is the epitome of self-important, self-righteous, whiny, entitled little bitches who think that if someone disagrees with their Social Justice Warrior bullshit, they must be fired and publicly ostracized. They are literally demanding somebody lose their job and living because they aren't pro-censorship enough for their tastes.

Anyone who tries to defend that ignorant bullshit needs to ****in get a reality check.

Like, I'm a liberal... but shit lol. This sjw/pc shit goes waaaay too ****in far sometimes.