Let me get this straight, millennial have it harder because they are being attacked by the media more?
And that they are the victim of the prev. generation's mistakes as they need to work (after the economy got "messed up" by said generations) in a climate controlled office, on their PCs while sitting on their ergonomic chairs, drinking their starbucks and texting their buddies on their cellphones?
Must be first world problems...
hmm
Originally posted by NibedicusI think's pretty obvious those types of people would give anything to be working in the fields for over a dozen hours a day before farm machinery. Or to be drafted in the wars. Or to be part of the stock market crashes, or any of the other little baby things previous generations had to deal with. They had the easy life back then. Now you have to do things like move the joystick on your wheelchair when your legs don't work because you bulked too much.
Let me get this straight, millennial have it harder because they are being attacked by the media more?And that they are the victim of the prev. generation's mistakes as they need to work (after the economy got "messed up" by said generations) in a climate controlled office, on their PCs while sitting on their ergonomic chairs, drinking their starbucks and texting their buddies on their cellphones?
Must be first world problems...
hmm
Originally posted by Bardock42
That view of millennials is just not true. They had it harder than their parents (after their parents ****ed up the economy for them, lets not forget them dropping that ball), they are more civilly and politically engaged than previous generations, they are also being constantly attacked by the media for perceived shortcomings that just aren't in line with reality, far from being coddled they are one of the main targets of derision in public discourse.The narrative that they are more coddled or have it easier just isn't true, they are however engaged and fight for their rights, and obviously that's always an issue for the status quo, the generation that is losing power as it ages and dies and their antiquated views die with them.
let me guess. you are a millennial right?
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I think's pretty obvious those types of people would give anything to be working in the fields for over a dozen hours a day before farm machinery. Or to be drafted in the wars. Or to be part of the stock market crashes, or any of the other little baby things previous generations had to deal with. They had the easy life back then. Now you have to do things like move the joystick on your wheelchair when your legs don't work because you bulked too much.
this bardock guy is something else
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Let me get this straight, millennial have it harder because they are being attacked by the media more?And that they are the victim of the prev. generation's mistakes as they need to work (after the economy got "messed up" by said generations) in a climate controlled office, on their PCs while sitting on their ergonomic chairs, drinking their starbucks and texting their buddies on their cellphones?
Must be first world problems...
hmm
Originally posted by One Big Mob
I think's pretty obvious those types of people would give anything to be working in the fields for over a dozen hours a day before farm machinery. Or to be drafted in the wars. Or to be part of the stock market crashes, or any of the other little baby things previous generations had to deal with. They had the easy life back then. Now you have to do things like move the joystick on your wheelchair when your legs don't work because you bulked too much.
What the **** are you guys talking about?
The previous generation didn't have a war or get drafted for one. The closest they came was the Gulf War which is like a tenth the size of the Iraq War and Afghanistan War.
The previous generation was already working predominantly in the service industry, and at any rate millenials are still farming in the US anyways.
The previous generation didn't have a Economic Crisis anywhere on the scale of what millenials have to deal with. In fact they caused one of the biggest Global Crises ever...and millenials were hit by far the hardest, so far from being in climate controlled offices like their parents are, they can't get any jobs..and still have to pay off the skyrocketed student debt...unlike previous generations who got that handed to them.
Now you have to do things like move the joystick on your wheelchair when your legs don't work because you bulked too much.
That is literally the previous generation you are complaining about.
All the previous generation does is complain about millenials, who have it harder than they ever did and are still better than them, while literally having zero achievements themselves...
Originally posted by Bardock42The previous generation didn't have a Economic Crisis anywhere on the scale of what millenials have to deal with. In fact they caused one of the biggest Global Crises ever...and millenials were hit by far the hardest, so far from being in climate controlled offices like their parents are, they can't get any jobs..and still have to pay off the skyrocketed student debt...unlike previous generations who got that handed to them.
This is some space age shit. Honstly, it's hard to read this much bs piled on while you can speak so openly about so many topics.
The stock market and us economy has never been so good ever so apparently millenials either fail or the economy is a ruse(US that is.)
Originally posted by snowdragon
This is some space age shit. Honstly, it's hard to read this much bs piled on while you can speak so openly about so many topics.The stock market and us economy has never been so good ever so apparently millenials either fail or the economy is a ruse(US that is.)
Ok, if you want to pretend that the 2008 Economic Crisis didn't happen that's cool. But youth unemployment is still only slowly recovering from it whether you acknowledge its existence or not.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Ok, if you want to pretend that the 2008 Economic Crisis didn't happen that's cool. But youth unemployment is still only slowly recovering from it whether you acknowledge its existence or not.
I thought response was in regards to the current economy with the stock market.
I'm fully aware of the 08 bubble and its precurors from 99'00. Still the I though according to media and stock market the current economy was in a boom.
In my home country, millennials definitely have it harder than Generation X and the Babyboom-generation did. The previous two generations took advantage of socialism from after the war until the late '90s. People would stay in university until they were 35, because the government would pay for it all, they'd not work because they were getting too much money on welfare for 15+ years etc. Eventually this situation became unmanageable, add to that the economic crisis, this has left the millennial generation with a lot of burdens that the previous generations never had to deal with and without a lot of perks they could take advantage of.
Now, people have to take on crushing debt to work their way through college, have a far less adequate health care plan and can't get sufficient welfare even if they actually need it. This is all due to the complacency of the previous two generations.
Originally posted by snowdragon
I thought response was in regards to the current economy with the stock market.I'm fully aware of the 08 bubble and its precurors from 99'00. Still the I though according to media and stock market the current economy was in a boom.
While it is true that the economy is doing better, the younger generation is still dealing with the fallout from it, much more than older generations who had already established careers and some financial security. And since we aren't taking a look at only the present, but the circumstances for a generation over a longer period, the 2008 crisis that happened just as many millenials were bound to first start careers, is much worse than anything the generation before them faced.
Basically the narrative that millenials have it easy is bullshit. They have it much harder than the last generation (and tbh than the one before that as well). If we are looking at the West as a whole, that they don't have it as hard as the generation that was wiped out in the trenches of the first world war is true...but neither are the people now complaining about them.
Originally posted by Bardock42Basically the narrative that millenials have it easy is bullshit. They have it much harder than the last generation (and tbh than the one before that as well). If we are looking at the West as a whole, that they don't have it as hard as the generation that was wiped out in the trenches of the first world war is true...but neither are the people now complaining about them.
This smells of opinion and opinion driven narratives.
Never has so much wealth been given to a generation as millenials.
Originally posted by snowdragon
I thought response was in regards to the current economy with the stock market.I'm fully aware of the 08 bubble and its precurors from 99'00. Still the I though according to media and stock market the current economy was in a boom.
Originally posted by Slay
I'd like to see a source actually claiming we're in a boom. The economy might be recovering, but we're far from 'in a boom'. I've heard some talk of people anticipating a boom due to the falling oil price, but at the same time, the stock markets have had their worst opening since 2008 this year.
I am regurgitating the popular media posts from the past 5 years. If unemployment is under 5% and you can't find a job then you are probably the issue.
Originally posted by snowdragon
I am regurgitating the popular media posts from the past 5 years. If unemployment is under 5% and you can't find a job then you are probably the issue.
Low unemployment is nice and all but it's far from the only important factor in measuring an economy's health. Besides that, I was talking about your claim that we're in a boom, which I've not heard from any media outlet. Like I said, the economy is slowly but surely recovering, but we're far from in a boom.
The only region currently experiencing a boom is Africa, and that will most likely halt soon as it was caused by the capital injected by China.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What the **** are you guys talking about?
Since you quoted me, I'm assuming you disagreed with what I said?
So you're saying that millenials don't have any cellphones, ergonomic chairs, climate controlled offices, Starbux and PC's?
Strange.... technology must have made a sharp downturn in recent years...
hmm
Poor millennials indeed.
Yeah, since millenials don't have jobs at the rate of previous generations they indeed don't have ergonomic chairs and climate controlled offices.
If your argument is the previous two generations have it easy and millenials almost as easy as them, I'd agree. But if you single out millenials as having it easier, that's just false.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, since millenials don't have jobs at the rate of previous generations they indeed don't have ergonomic chairs and climate controlled offices.If your argument is the previous two generations have it easy and millenials almost as easy as them, I'd agree. But if you single out millenials as having it easier, that's just false.
I'm not the one whining about how hard my generation's had it. And fact is, I don't ever recall my generation whining about wanting no no spaces to avoid boo boo words.
From memory, I remember my generation fighting for better work hours (and not the 12 hour days my parents had) and more comfortable/safer work conditions and better health care. To protect the environment and for sex education as well as family planning. That's what I can remember anyway.
Strawman. Never argued that my gen had it harder, I'm arguing that the new gen seems to have become a bunch of crybaby wussies (based on what I'm seeing in this thread topic anyway). The fact that the economic conditions these days are more difficult (economic conditions is not the only indicator, however) for you does not make you tougher. Cuz guess what? For you to be tougher, you need to endure and go beyond your current situation. Whining just makes you look weak. Although, admittedly, that is an unfair generalization. That only goes for ppl whining about their current situation. The ones that DO endure and go beyond their current conditions get a 👆. The whiners that ask for boo boo places for no no words? Not so much. IMO anyway.
Don't get me wrong, tho. Nothing wrong with being a wuss. Like I said, compared to our parents, we're wussies, too. But at least we're above crying over being called names as adults.
Admittedly, experiences vary.
My experience of growing up may well be different from yours. I lived in a third world country. We never had cellphones or the internet growing up (my first experience with either has been when I was well into college). When we studied for an exam, we went to the library. When we needed to talk to our friends, we called them via a landline. When someone gets in my face, I take that person out of it, no one fought my battles for me. Bullies bullied and teachers (in my country anyway) still used a stick to discipline students. When we failed, we failed, no one was there to catch us.
The fact that my father ran a logging company, I spent a lot of my childhood school breaks in and out of the jungles, in the humid 95 degree heat that my dad's concessions would take us. Learned to use the rifle at a young age (as the threat of encountering rebels was a reality in those places, plus my dad loved to hunt). And my dad's parents had it even worse. Hell, my wife's grandfather was in the war. And on his return home, had the ship he was on torpedoed. Survived by floating on suitcases (suitcases he kept with him til his last days). My father and grandfather worked 12 hour days, and I barely ever saw him outside of the summer when school was out. MY wife's dad had to go abroad so that he could support his family. He wasn't even there to watch them grow up for most their lives.
All in all, it's true my gen wasn't exactly given a hard time. I acknowledge this and certainly consider myself lucky that I didn't have to fight in the 2nd World War.
I keep hearing about how hard the kids these days have it, then I look at my nephew and niece. Shopping, DoTA, internet, cellphones, Ipads, selfies.... And I'm like "uh huh"....
You replied to Surtur's assertion that each generation had it easier than the last with an agreement. To now pretend that you never said that your generation had it harder is obviously disingenuous.
Sure, there are pleasant technological advancements that both this generation at a younger age and the previous generations at older ages can partake in, but that doesn't make the economic struggle any easier for millennial.
I don't know how it is in the Philippines, however I did limit my argument to the western countries where I have experience (and where Surtur and I am from). And there the previous generation had it easier growing up and starting their adult life than this generation.
From my POV (and echoed in this thread), very few people actually make the accurate argument of how this generation has more struggles. Much more common seems to be the claim that they are lazy and coddled and get everything handed to them, which, again, is completely hypocritical coming from either Generation X or Baby Boomers.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'm not the one whining about how hard my generation's had it. And fact is, I don't ever recall my generation whining about wanting no no spaces to avoid boo boo words.
Now a case can be made for any generation having had a more difficult time than another, I'm not even interested in doing that as it would be an exercise in futility. However, claiming that millennials have it so easy is ridiculously asinine, especially when made on the premise that we have it easier because technology has advanced and we now have cellphones and computers.
From memory, I remember my generation fighting for better work hours (and not the 12 hour days my parents had) and more comfortable/safer work conditions and better health care. To protect the environment and for sex education as well as family planning. That's what I can remember anyway.
This only goes to show again how asinine having this discussion in such a general sense is. Millennials from Bosnia will have lived through a civil war, tormented by memories of ethnic cleansing and other war crimes, whereas millennials from Sweden will have lived mostly very privileged lives.
Originally posted by Bardock42
1) You replied to Surtur's assertion that each generation had it easier than the last with an agreement. To now pretend that you never said that your generation had it harder is obviously disingenuous.2) Sure, there are pleasant technological advancements that both this generation at a younger age and the previous generations at older ages can partake in, but that doesn't make the economic struggle any easier for millennial.
3) I don't know how it is in the Philippines, however I did limit my argument to the western countries where I have experience (and where Surtur and I am from). And there the previous generation had it easier growing up and starting their adult life than this generation.
4) From my POV (and echoed in this thread), very few people actually make the accurate argument of how this generation has more struggles. Much more common seems to be the claim that they are lazy and coddled and get everything handed to them, which, again, is completely hypocritical coming from either Generation X or Baby Boomers.
1) He wrote 2 paragraphs. The second one was what I was agreeing with.
2) Life isn't only about economic struggle. Technology means medicine is cheaper/more effective. Environment becomes more comfortable and knowledge is easier to acquire. Tasks become easier to perform and you get more work done for less time/effort.
3) And my opinion of wussiness came from my experience of what a wuss is as compared to my personal experiences.
4) "Struggles" is subjective. Economic difficulty isn't the only difficulty ppl experience. My generation had parents who worked too long and barely saw their children, poor educational standards, difficult working conditions and had less technology to accomplish said jobs in. Perhaps jobs were not as hard to get back then as they are now, but they were harder to do and we had to live in the shadow of a generation that worked long hours as a way of life. The jobs the kids do these days are far more automated and are far safer. Lazy is when you complain when the 9/5 job you have which is most likely much easier than what you dad prolly had to do is too hard for you. Coddled is when you whine to get what you want (instead of initiating change yourself or compensating for said difficulties) so other ppl end up giving it to you.