Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
This is a relatively recent thing. If you went to college 10 years ago, chances are you didn't really encounter it.
Yeah.
Only thing I can figure, is they're getting it from lectures and special guests. Supposedly, the terms been around for 50 years, so maybe some of these childless activists or professors are going all out trying to make sure their agenda's survive..
Originally posted by cdtm
I can't help but wonder how much of this outrage is genuine, and how much of it is exploitative of the way media operates.Which is in the "yellow" way. Sensationalism sells. Controversey brings in the viewers/readers.
There's actually quite a bit of protest against safe spaces, from within activist communities. But, no one's reporting on that.
Very good point. Most of us aren't experiencing this stuff first hand, the media could be heavily slanting what is actually happening, and or majorly exacerbating the existing cases.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't get it.
What, the yellow journalism comment?
Basically, the press focuses on the loonies, making people think EVERYONES loonie. There's probably tons of moderates, but that's not as sexy as some teen screaming in a guys face.
The same way any time you see a black guy in the news, its a violent crime. that guy who works the soup kitchen, or with troubled teens, you rarely hear about him. (Or for another analogy, gun shooting = news. Gun preventing crime where no one's shot = nothing to write about.)
Originally posted by cdtmIf I was responding to you my son, I would have quoted you.
What, the yellow journalism comment?Basically, the press focuses on the loonies, making people think EVERYONES loonie. There's probably tons of moderates, but that's not as sexy as some teen screaming in a guys face.
The same way any time you see a black guy in the news, its a violent crime. that guy who works the soup kitchen, or with troubled teens, you rarely hear about him. (Or for another analogy, gun shooting = news. Gun preventing crime where no one's shot = nothing to write about.)
I'd say you disappointed me, but to be honest your response was pretty much exactly what I assumed it would be.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think it is perfectly fine for people to create spaces for themselves where they will not tolerate certain things, i.e. racism, sexism, etc.
All right, calling out Bardock right now. Can you elaborate on how "safe spaces" accomplish this in a way college campuses do not already (or perhaps you'd prefer me to say "accomplish this in a way different from how colleges should already be doing so"?)?
I'm reminded of that incident where a graduate student, working towards her law degree, got upset because they were going over sexual assault law in class. She had been raped in the past, and talking about rape and using words like "violate" triggered her. She got mad at her professor, and the event made it's way to the NYT.
She shouldn't have been taking the class if she was too weak to handle talking about the topics involved.
The world isn't a bunch of eggshells. Trigger warnings are bullshit devices for self-entitled little college twits.
Originally posted by Lucius
I'm reminded of that incident where a graduate student, working towards her law degree, got upset because they were going over sexual assault law in class. She had been raped in the past, and talking about rape and using words like "violate" triggered her. She got mad at her professor, and the event made it's way to the NYT.She shouldn't have been taking the class if she was too weak to handle talking about the topics involved.
The world isn't a bunch of eggshells. Trigger warnings are bullshit devices for self-entitled little college twits.
It almost sounds like this is a college kid acting whiny and entitled.
Originally posted by Lucius
I'm reminded of that incident where a graduate student, working towards her law degree, got upset because they were going over sexual assault law in class. She had been raped in the past, and talking about rape and using words like "violate" triggered her. She got mad at her professor, and the event made it's way to the NYT.She shouldn't have been taking the class if she was too weak to handle talking about the topics involved.
The world isn't a bunch of eggshells. Trigger warnings are bullshit devices for self-entitled little college twits.
Won't she end up encountering cases dealing with rape in her career in law? Didn't really think it through, did she?
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Won't she end up encountering cases dealing with rape in her career in law? Didn't really think it through, did she?
To me it seems legit.
She fights against violence by defending people who were aggressed in the past.
She also does freak out about it and vomits before each plead 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd say you disappointed me, but to be honest your response was pretty much exactly what I assumed it would be.All right, calling out Bardock right now. Can you elaborate on how "safe spaces" accomplish this in a way college campuses do not already (or perhaps you'd prefer me to say "accomplish this in a way different from how colleges should already be doing so"?)?
Sure, so you are sitting in the cafeteria with your buds, Steve and Nancy. Nancy is a mtf transgender person. This girl you are acquainted with Michelle, she sits near you and keeps talking to your group and some people next to her, constantly referring to Nancy as "he". Now you could try to call her out and turn this into a huge scene, but that's uncomfortable for Nancy you prefer not to, or you can leave, but like you still have half a slice of pizza and two chicken nuggets on your plate and the rest of the cafeteria is full, it's just a huge hassle, really sucks. Now, if you were in a designated safe space you could just rightfully ask Nancy to leave, so that's much more pleasant.
Similarly you sit around your favourite tree in a hippie circle with your friends, the topic comes on the subject of rape, but there's these guy Hans, you know the kind he's the "Actually..." kind, so everytime someone says something he's like "Actually, most victims of rape lie about it...", "Actually, if a girl is in a relationship it should never count as rape...", etc., he likes playing moronic Devil's Advocate, you know what I mean. This is really uncomfortable for Stephanie, who has been raped, and for you, cause you know about it, you'd like to continue talking about it, but if you call it out the conversation will devolve into a "I'm just saying, blah blah"...so the next time you go into a designated safe space with your friends and hang out there not having to fear that kind of bone headed "I'm a truthsayer in a land of sheeple..." attitude.
That's why I'm for safe spaces. Now the problems that all of the people categorically against safe spaces have seem to be when whole campuses or public areas are designated as safe spaces are used to silence people there, and that's fair enough, we can talk about that, but surely you can see how it's stupid to go from opposition to the extreme to being against the whole concept.
Like, few people say they should have the right to go to the Spanish clubs lesson and start loudly talking French over everybody. I'm pro Spanish-Safe Spaces and the same goes for anti-racist, anti-sexist, etc. Safe Spaces.
Again, saying I'm categorically against safe spaces is saying I'm against designated areas (either like a club on a campus or a private area, maybe a bar or something) where the proprietors do not tolerate certain behaviour or language.
It's an interesting post, but comparing racism and sexism to speaking awesome French pretty much ruined your argument for me 👇
Now, I'm not saying that because I'm [¡]french[/i], you're actually mixing up entirely different contexts. Is a secret defense bunker a "safe place" from civillians? Let's build absurd comparisons all around for an otherwise legitimate consideration, yay!
Just saying man ahah
Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure, so you are sitting in the cafeteria with your buds, Steve and Nancy. Nancy is a mtf transgender person. This girl you are acquainted with Michelle, she sits near you and keeps talking to your group and some people next to her, constantly referring to Nancy as "he". Now you could try to call her out and turn this into a huge scene, but that's uncomfortable for Nancy you prefer not to, or you can leave, but like you still have half a slice of pizza and two chicken nuggets on your plate and the rest of the cafeteria is full, it's just a huge hassle, really sucks. Now, if you were in a designated safe space you could just rightfully ask Nancy to leave, so that's much more pleasant.Similarly you sit around your favourite tree in a hippie circle with your friends, the topic comes on the subject of rape, but there's these guy Hans, you know the kind he's the "Actually..." kind, so everytime someone says something he's like "Actually, most victims of rape lie about it...", "Actually, if a girl is in a relationship it should never count as rape...", etc., he likes playing moronic Devil's Advocate, you know what I mean. This is really uncomfortable for Stephanie, who has been raped, and for you, cause you know about it, you'd like to continue talking about it, but if you call it out the conversation will devolve into a "I'm just saying, blah blah"...so the next time you go into a designated safe space with your friends and hang out there not having to fear that kind of bone headed "I'm a truthsayer in a land of sheeple..." attitude.
That's why I'm for safe spaces. Now the problems that all of the people categorically against safe spaces have seem to be when whole campuses or public areas are designated as safe spaces are used to silence people there, and that's fair enough, we can talk about that, but surely you can see how it's stupid to go from opposition to the extreme to being against the whole concept.
Like, few people say they should have the right to go to the Spanish clubs lesson and start loudly talking French over everybody. I'm pro Spanish-Safe Spaces and the same goes for anti-racist, anti-sexist, etc. Safe Spaces.
Again, saying I'm categorically against safe spaces is saying I'm against designated areas (either like a club on a campus or a private area, maybe a bar or something) where the proprietors do not tolerate certain behaviour or language.
That sounds perfectly reasonable. But what would these designated safe space areas be? Somebody's dorm room?
Originally posted by Bentley
It's an interesting post, but comparing racism and sexism to speaking awesome French pretty much ruined your argument for me 👇Now, I'm not saying that because I'm [¡]french[/i], you're actually mixing up entirely different contexts. Is a secret defense bunker a "safe place" from civillians? Let's build absurd comparisons all around for an otherwise legitimate consideration, yay!
Just saying man ahah
Yes, yes a secret defense bunker is a safe space for civilians. And no one says, life doesn't come with radiation warnings....
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
That sounds perfectly reasonable. But what would these designated safe space areas be? Somebody's dorm room?
Sure, or a room on campus that is assigned to a group, either temporarily or indefinitely. Really depends on the university.
Or alternatively a professor may make their class a safe space regarding some topic.