Not at all. There's a fundamental difference.
I have a right to rant about conspiracy theories (and promptly be laughed at or even asked to leave) but my right to express that belief is still there. You don't like it bit you do mot outright ban it. Hence, Freedom of speech.
You are not banning people who believe in conspiracy theories, right?
What you said means really: I don't like someone's viewpoint, let's kick him out.
Plus, I already said: No violence and encouragement of violence.
Originally posted by Stigma
Not at all. There's a fundamental difference.I have a right to rant about conspiracy theories (and promptly be laughed at or even asked to leave) but my right to express that belief is still there. You don't like it bit you do mot outright ban it. Hence, Freedom of speech.
You are not banning people who believe in conspiracy theories, right?
What you said means really: I don't like someone's viewpoint, let's kick him out.
Plus, I already said: No violence and encouragement of violence.
Actually, yes, the proprietor of a space can outright ban or limit conspiracy theories.
In fact this is exactly what happened here on KMC, conspiracy theory talk that had taken overhand in this forum has been contained to a Conspiracy Forum.
Freedom of Speech has limits in public settings (certain times and places, certain speech that causes harm to people altogether) and it doesn't apply to private businesses at all.
Originally posted by Stigma
Only if the state propagates the liberal form of the law, which as I pointed out leads to the hogwash of subjective feelings hurt being the merit.Private business is obviously an exception.
Okay, but every state in existence actually does. I mean I get it, I used to be a libertarian, too, but in the real world that's just not how Freedom of Speech works anywhere, and for good reasons.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't see a problem with anything you said. So was Surtur just whining about shit he didn't understand?
Lady, please read topics before you open your mouth, okay? Since that little novel you quoted with all those examples and shit? Was posted after I'd made various replies. I actually have no problem with wanting people to act decent, I've said they should. All I'm saying is don't act like people are so special and sensitive they can't handle certain words. If, again, you'd read the entire topic you are spouting off about you'd see comments were made about this being about "90% being polite" and which yeah, you're a whiny college kid if you can't handle someone being impolite to you. If pointing this out makes me "whiny" then okie dokie that is fine, we should all be whiny then, better then overly sensitive little girls.
So please, cut the BS out. This is the pattern I see with you and certain others. You talk *massive* amounts of shit while behaving in the same exact way as the people you are talking shit about. You hurl insults at people, sometimes unprovoked, and then these same people whine and whine when it gets done to them.
It's like these people legitimately have no idea as to their own personal posting history. But they sure as shit try to go out of their way to call out others. It's hard to figure out if it's trolling or just the way they are. But holy shit the motto of this forum should definitely be those who live in glass houses should stay the hell away from throwing stones.
Also the funniest thing is..I'm FAR from the only person in this thread to even have these views. Look at the damn poll, 14 other people think it's bullshit as well.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure, so you are sitting in the cafeteria with your buds, Steve and Nancy. Nancy is a mtf transgender person. This girl you are acquainted with Michelle, she sits near you and keeps talking to your group and some people next to her, constantly referring to Nancy as "he". Now you could try to call her out and turn this into a huge scene, but that's uncomfortable for Nancy you prefer not to, or you can leave, but like you still have half a slice of pizza and two chicken nuggets on your plate and the rest of the cafeteria is full, it's just a huge hassle, really sucks. Now, if you were in a designated safe space you could just rightfully ask Nancy to leave, so that's much more pleasant.Similarly you sit around your favourite tree in a hippie circle with your friends, the topic comes on the subject of rape, but there's these guy Hans, you know the kind he's the "Actually..." kind, so everytime someone says something he's like "Actually, most victims of rape lie about it...", "Actually, if a girl is in a relationship it should never count as rape...", etc., he likes playing moronic Devil's Advocate, you know what I mean. This is really uncomfortable for Stephanie, who has been raped, and for you, cause you know about it, you'd like to continue talking about it, but if you call it out the conversation will devolve into a "I'm just saying, blah blah"...so the next time you go into a designated safe space with your friends and hang out there not having to fear that kind of bone headed "I'm a truthsayer in a land of sheeple..." attitude.
That's why I'm for safe spaces. Now the problems that all of the people categorically against safe spaces have seem to be when whole campuses or public areas are designated as safe spaces are used to silence people there, and that's fair enough, we can talk about that, but surely you can see how it's stupid to go from opposition to the extreme to being against the whole concept.
Like, few people say they should have the right to go to the Spanish clubs lesson and start loudly talking French over everybody. I'm pro Spanish-Safe Spaces and the same goes for anti-racist, anti-sexist, etc. Safe Spaces.
Again, saying I'm categorically against safe spaces is saying I'm against designated areas (either like a club on a campus or a private area, maybe a bar or something) where the proprietors do not tolerate certain behaviour or language.
Nancy and Stephanie are not victims in these scenarios, they are participants.
If they do not advocate for themselves, then they are tacitly accepting these situations.
If they do not care enough to say something, then why should anyone else be concerned?
Michelle and Hans need to be informed, not ostracized.
Creating spaces where they can be censored or asked to leave for expressing an uninformed or unpopular opinion does not accomplish anything.
It merely shifts the offense from one party to another and causes resentment all the way around.
But hey, Nancy and Stephanie get to be mollycoddled, and supported in their perpetual victimhood, so that's cool, right?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nancy and Stephanie are not victims in these scenarios, they are participants.If they do not advocate for themselves, then they are tacitly accepting these situations.
If they do not care enough to say something, then why should anyone else be concerned?
Michelle and Hans need to be informed, not ostracized.
Creating spaces where they can be censored or asked to leave for expressing an uninformed or unpopular opinion does not accomplish anything.
It merely shifts the offense from one party to another and causes resentment all the way around.
But hey, Nancy and Stephanie get to be mollycoddled, and supported in their perpetual victimhood, so that's cool, right?
I'm not saying they are victims. I'm saying they may prefer to have a place where they don't have to deal with it, and it's perfectly fine for them to have that place.
No one has the duty to educate someone else, and if someone goes to a space that has certain rules and breaks them it's perfectly reasonable for them to be asked to leave. That's not an offence, breaking the rule was the offence.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Nancy and Stephanie are not victims in these scenarios, they are participants.If they do not advocate for themselves, then they are tacitly accepting these situations.
If they do not care enough to say something, then why should anyone else be concerned?
Michelle and Hans need to be informed, not ostracized.
Creating spaces where they can be censored or asked to leave for expressing an uninformed or unpopular opinion does not accomplish anything.
It merely shifts the offense from one party to another and causes resentment all the way around.
But hey, Nancy and Stephanie get to be mollycoddled, and supported in their perpetual victimhood, so that's cool, right?
I say if they want to be coddled like children then lets do it. But the catch is they don't get to pick and choose when we treat them like kids. So it has to be an all or nothing thing. So I want college professors giving students a time out if they try to talk in class without raising their hand. We also need obligatory nap time, cranky kids are the worst.
If they fail a test then a parent needs to sign it.
You understand that you are the one behaving like a child, arguing for your right to throw your tantrums wherever your please? But as an adult you just don't get to. If you behave badly somewhere you may be asked to leave, no matter how much you whine about it, and that's in essence what a safe space is.
Originally posted by Surtur
I say if they want to be coddled like children then lets do it. But the catch is they don't get to pick and choose when we treat them like kids. So it has to be an all or nothing thing. So I want college professors giving students a time out if they try to talk in class without raising their hand. We also need obligatory nap time, cranky kids are the worst.If they fail a test then a parent needs to sign it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You understand that you are the one behaving like a child, arguing for your right to throw your tantrums wherever your please? But as an adult you just don't get to. If you behave badly somewhere you may be asked to leave, no matter how much you whine about it, and that's in essence what a safe space is.
Nobody is arguing for a right to throw a tantrum though. And again: you talking to others about them acting like kids and being whiny is like Star dissing someone for being a religious nutjob.
Originally posted by Robtard
You don't get to either as a child. eg if a child throws a tantrum in the middle of a theater, said child/parents will be asked to leave.This concept that you can act like a little shit whenever/wherever is false.
Yeah, that is true, you don't get to as a child either (though definitely a lot more leeway there), but children attempt to anyways, while adults usually don't, that was really my point.