Pre-Flashpoint Weird Vs Kyle Raynor

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Zack M Senior Member

Pre-Flashpoint Weird Vs Kyle Raynor

Old school Kyle, with the superior ring. Which energy manipulator wins?

Delta1938 True King of House of El

The Weird. Even if Kyle is above Guy, he's not THAT above Guy for how easily Weird beat Guy. And if this is rookie Kyle, then I'd feel he'd do even worse. Kyle also had mixed success against bricks in those days, and The Weird definitely is Top-Tier there.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Not to mention that The Weird bonded with Synnar at the end of Holy War. 🙂

Zack M Senior Member

Nice. Didn't Weird own Dr. Fate?

Delta1938 True King of House of El
Originally posted by Galan007
Not to mention that The Weird bonded with Synnar at the end of Holy War. 🙂

I haven't read that series. 🙁

Originally posted by Zack M
Nice. Didn't Weird own Dr. Fate?

Yep!! Was able to manipulate the energy Doctor Fate was conjuring. Well, he(Weird) said it was energy. He also IIRC one-shot J'onn, and he beat Captain Atom off-panel. It was clear it was a quick KO, but we don't see what happened, if it was physical or energy based or what.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Zack M
Nice. Didn't Weird own Dr. Fate?
Yep, along with other members of the League. Casually:
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Re: Pre-Flashpoint Weird Vs Kyle Raynor

Originally posted by Zack M
Old school Kyle, with the superior ring. Which energy manipulator wins?

Kyle.

Martian Manhunter actually knocked Weird tfo.

Yes, MANJOBBER actually put someone down.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by cdtm
Kyle.

Martian Manhunter actually knocked Weird tfo.

Yes, MANJOBBER actually put someone down.

Kind of silly to lowball The Weird based on a single showing that can be easily explained:
a.) He expended a good deal of energy against the Macrolatt he's just beaten moments beforehand.
b.) J'onn went out of his way to explain that he was only able to do that because The Weird's guard was completely down.
c.) Even if you exclude a & b, that showing is still a massive low-end outlier, given The Weird's other feats.

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As I recall, weird also wasn't really a top end physical powerhouse, compared to say, Bizarro.

In theory, Weird can absorb Kyles energy.. In theory, Kyle can also control Weirds energies, as he has with other energy beings.

Or, he could use his ring constructs to ambush him. That was actually his go to tactic pre Emerald Rebirth, firing off a beam far off into the distance, and making it loop around at the blind side. (Further, his accuracy was good enough to fire a beam down someone's throat, creating an emp pulse from inside them..)

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I don't know much about Weird so I can only answer if Kyle wins via getting the answer to a single question: Is Weird more powerful or less powerful then Deathstroke?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Energy manipulation is how he would beat Kyle... And he would beat Kyle.

SquallX Senior Member
Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know much about Weird so I can only answer if Kyle wins via getting the answer to a single question: Is Weird more powerful or less powerful then Deathstroke?

That's ****ing sad coming from you man.

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Originally posted by SquallX
That's ****ing sad coming from you man.

It was a joke. The Identity Crisis showing was of course total bunk.

cdtm Restricted
Originally posted by Galan007
Energy manipulation is how he would beat Kyle... And he would beat Kyle.

It's been tried, though.

By an energy being, no less. Kyle's constructs were being manipulated, so he reached out into her and manipulated her body.

But even if we assumed that's not possible on Weird, he could certainly physically defeat him. Weird was as susceptible to physical damage as anybody, and Kyles defeated much more durable characters (Like Darkseid's illegitamate son, Grayven.)

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Plus on a serious note..Kyle did f*ck up Superman's face with energy blasts that one time right? It's true Superman wasn't exactly fighting back, but that wouldn't really lower his durability.

Mindset Senior Member

Kyle stomps.

Good thread, Golgo.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by cdtm
It's been tried, though.

By an energy being, no less. Kyle's constructs were being manipulated, so he reached out into her and manipulated her body.

Are you referring to the stunt he pulled against Tangent Flash? If so, that's when he was Ion. Far cry from your 'average' Kyle.

Originally posted by cdtm
But even if we assumed that's not possible on Weird, he could certainly physically defeat him. Weird was as susceptible to physical damage as anybody, and Kyles defeated much more durable characters (Like Darkseid's illegitamate son, Grayven.)
The Weird shrugged off punches from Superman, and delivered punches of equal magnitude in return. He also physically owned J'onn with a single strike. IOW, it's not easy to overpower him. At all.

You're trying to act like that one low-end outlier(which can be explained) is the rule. It isn't. srsly

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

I think Kyle was among those affected by energy disturbance provoked by the Weird.

Mindset Senior Member

Galan is clearly out of his depth with this thread.

He's usually so informed, it's pretty weird. 👇

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Re: Pre-Flashpoint Weird Vs Kyle Raynor

Originally posted by Mindset
He's usually so informed, it's pretty weird. 👇
You sly motherphucker. excellent