Originally posted by Galan007
Are you referring to the stunt he pulled against Tangent Flash? If so, that's when he was Ion. Far cry from your 'average' Kyle.The Weird shrugged off punches from Superman, and delivered punches of equal magnitude in return. He also physically owned J'onn with a single strike. IOW, it's not easy to overpower him. At all.
You're trying to act like that one low-end outlier(which can be explained) is the rule. It isn't. srsly
No he didn't. Superman got him with heat vision, after a chase through the city where Weird phased through surfaces, while Supes flew through them to keep up.
Martian Manhunters the one that landed punches, before the ambush, which didn't KO him but definately had an effect.
Originally posted by cdtm
No he didn't. Superman got him with heat vision, after a chase through the city where Weird phased through surfaces, while Supes flew through them to keep up.Martian Manhunters the one that landed punches, before the ambush, which didn't KO him but definately had an effect.
Yeah he did
https://grizzlybomb.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/weird-vs-superman.jpg
Notice the utter shock on Superman's face that the Weird is still standing unaffected after his punch???
You'll also notice Supes was pretty pissed after getting socked in the face. I highly doubt a normal strength level would have accomplished that.
I don't however think that Weird was punching on SM level. he was hwoever delivering blows that anyone short of Supes would have ahd issues with (MMH <<<< Supes)
J'onn punches him from behind and then gets owned with just one punch.
http://i.imgur.com/J20FpIP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dGH9X2C.jpg
LMAO.
Well, he KO'd J'onn with a single strike here:
And in the instance where J'onn KO'd Weird, he[Weird] had just expended a great deal of energy against a Macrolatt(who possessed abilities similar to his own) moments beforehand. It was also stated that J'onn could only affect Weird because he used his invisibility and caught Weird completely off guard when he was trying to reason with the League. It was a total sucker shot.
We saw how Weird can handle them when his energies weren't taxed, and he was prepared. They were nothing.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Weird utterly humiliated Captain Comet as well:
Not only did CC liken The Weird's punches to those of Superman, but The Weird also walked through his full-power mind blast and TK in the process. 🙂
Just to be fair, that was from Mystery in space so "post resurrection " Comet who physically is no where near as powerful as he used to be.
Comet is still of course aware how powerful Supes is but he couldn't take anywhere near as much.
The fact that Weird however withstood his full mind blast was quite a feat. Comet's mental powers got a massive amp in the resurrection. In fact it took 14 clones of Comet's former body to alter a single memory of the Weird to get him to fight Comet.
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, there's a reason I didn't emphasize The Weird physically dominating Comet more than I did. The impressive part is Comet making multiple comments about how damned strong Weird was, along with Weird tanking his "full-power" mind blast.
Tanking his mind blast for me was the major point. Post resurrection Comet while not able to physically do crap against the clones of his former body the Church of light used could mentally dominate a few at a time.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/captain%20comet/Psionic%20attack.jpg.html
given that the pre resurrection comet could TK shield himself and others from Ominar Synn , not to mention psionically contain Kyle's energy attacks
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/captain%20comet/Rann-ThanagarWar_02-19.jpgoriginal.jpg.html
Standing up to Comet's new improved and amped full psionic barrage is one hell of a resistance feat.
Originally posted by Galan007beautiful scans!
Yep, along with other members of the League. Casually:
http://i.imgur.com/dTt2KGg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/J20FpIP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dGH9X2C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/b42U2CX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ukeNwls.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3AacLsl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MqDRjjE.jpg
Yup, the Weird is no joke.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's been tried, though.By an energy being, no less. Kyle's constructs were being manipulated, so he reached out into her and manipulated her body.
Galan already covered about Kyle countering this. Normal Kyle has indeed had his energies manipulated.
I would assume if Weird could manipulate Doctor Fate's energies, he can manipulate Kyle's.
Originally posted by cdtm
But even if we assumed that's not possible on Weird, he could certainly physically defeat him. Weird was as susceptible to physical damage as anybody, and Kyles defeated much more durable characters (Like Darkseid's illegitamate son, Grayven.)
Not sure why you're bringing-up Grayven. Kyle did win their first fight, but only via BFR, and it wasn't even completely his own power, he forced Grayen into a Zeta Beam. Kyle got his licks in, but by and large was getting his ass kicked.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Villains/Grayven/GL-75
He did better in their second fight, but I don't think a whole lot better. And his win was weird, apparently Grayven just gave-up and teleported away because he got hit hard once.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Villains/Grayven/GL-97
I had only read that issue for the fight, so I dunno if there's any context missing. The only other fight I'm aware of they had was when Kyle was Ion the second time around. Only skimmed through it though, but don't see it helping Kyle no matter how he did.
I don't know of Grayven facing anybody else than Adam Strange and John Stewart as a Darkstar, and getting arguably one-shot by Superman during OWAW. Why do you say he's more durable?
But even if Grayven is stronger and more durable than The Weird, Kyle did poorly against Grayven who was just a ground bound brick with some eye beams that could break Kyle's constructs. The Weird is much more mobile, can phase and considering how he did against Guy and Doctor Fate, I fully believe he can manipulate Kyle's own energy.
Originally posted by Surtur
Plus on a serious note..Kyle did f*ck up Superman's face with energy blasts that one time right? It's true Superman wasn't exactly fighting back, but that wouldn't really lower his durability.
As Abhi mentioned, Kyle was amped.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Lanterns/Green/Kyle/Ion-Ascension
