Black Lives Matter thread

If the police are really the biggest problems in these communities why don't the people step up to the plate and become officers themselves? Then we can have all black officers policing the all black neighborhoods. Then they can deal with the crime themselves and thus we won't ever have to hear them cry about police brutality.

Or here is a social experiment: pull out every single cop out of every single ghetto for 30 days. Make it so they are not allowed to go to answer calls there. Let us see what kind of shape these places are in after 30 days and if it will be better off without cops or worse off. What do you guys think would happen?

Research shows that black officers are the most likely to kill someone.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Research shows that black officers are the most likely to kill someone.

Lol wait what? Tell me this is a f*cking joke. It can't be true, it just can't be. Even a movement this dense wouldn't overlook that fact.

God what am I saying? Of course they'd overlook it.

There could be several reasons behind that statistic, but I'm probably guessing that it's something along the lines of.

There are more black cops in areas with high crime and they're likely to come across more incidents where you're required to shoot someone.

There's a lot of stuff that isn't being considered by both sides of this BLM nonsense. Like how 1 in 4th of every person killed by the police is suffering from one or more mental illnesses.

Originally posted by Surtur
If the police are really the biggest problems in these communities why don't the people step up to the plate and become officers themselves? Then we can have all black officers policing the all black neighborhoods. Then they can deal with the crime themselves and thus we won't ever have to hear them cry about police brutality.

Or here is a social experiment: pull out every single cop out of every single ghetto for 30 days. Make it so they are not allowed to go to answer calls there. Let us see what kind of shape these places are in after 30 days and if it will be better off without cops or worse off. What do you guys think would happen?

The issue isn't white officers killing black citizens. It's police officers killing citizens. I was watching an interview a couple of days ago with a guy who studies police training around the US and he says says in more and more communities the police are being trained to deal with the populace as a rule of thumb as if they are a hostile insurgency and that every stop for whatever reason could escalate to violence. Basically many police forces are treating the people they are supposed to serve as "the enemy" and this overrides racial elements so even black officers are indoctrinated to believe the community they are serving in, if it's predominantly black, are still the enemy.

If you want to stop the cycle the easiest place to interject is how police are trained to deal with people. By all means if they get a call saying someone is waving a gun or a knife around they should approach cautiously but when they're doing routine traffic stops or calls about minor issues with guns drawn because they're taught that anyone and everyone hates them and wants to kill them then you're gonna end up with more extra judicial killings and more hatred towards police that will result in training being even more geared towards treating the public as the enemy and on and on...

White teen in Fresno killed by police
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tEFPE8y5wLk

If he would have just complied with the officers, he wouldn't have gotten killed.

Trigger happy cops as usual, seems cops are being told to shoot first and as questions laters. Even if it means their job and jail..

Originally posted by jaden101
The issue isn't white officers killing black citizens. It's police officers killing citizens. I was watching an interview a couple of days ago with a guy who studies police training around the US and he says says in more and more communities the police are being trained to deal with the populace as a rule of thumb as if they are a hostile insurgency and that every stop for whatever reason could escalate to violence. Basically many police forces are treating the people they are supposed to serve as "the enemy" and this overrides racial elements so even black officers are indoctrinated to believe the community they are serving in, if it's predominantly black, are still the enemy.

If you want to stop the cycle the easiest place to interject is how police are trained to deal with people. By all means if they get a call saying someone is waving a gun or a knife around they should approach cautiously but when they're doing routine traffic stops or calls about minor issues with guns drawn because they're taught that anyone and everyone hates them and wants to kill them then you're gonna end up with more extra judicial killings and more hatred towards police that will result in training being even more geared towards treating the public as the enemy and on and on...

I wonder what the problem is.

It must have something to do with it being absurdly easy to become a cop compared to other countries.

Originally posted by jaden101
The issue isn't white officers killing black citizens. It's police officers killing citizens. I was watching an interview a couple of days ago with a guy who studies police training around the US and he says says in more and more communities the police are being trained to deal with the populace as a rule of thumb as if they are a hostile insurgency and that every stop for whatever reason could escalate to violence. Basically many police forces are treating the people they are supposed to serve as "the enemy" and this overrides racial elements so even black officers are indoctrinated to believe the community they are serving in, if it's predominantly black, are still the enemy.

If you want to stop the cycle the easiest place to interject is how police are trained to deal with people. By all means if they get a call saying someone is waving a gun or a knife around they should approach cautiously but when they're doing routine traffic stops or calls about minor issues with guns drawn because they're taught that anyone and everyone hates them and wants to kill them then you're gonna end up with more extra judicial killings and more hatred towards police that will result in training being even more geared towards treating the public as the enemy and on and on...

You are right it's about police killing citizens of all kinds. However, this often gets distorted into people just thinking it's white cops killing black people. That idea needs to be put the rest. For instance out of the two recent shootings by cops against blacks one of the cops was a Latino, not white. Yet it still almost gets framed like this is just white cops who are all wearing a KKK uniform secretly under their police uniforms.

It's dangerous rhetoric like that which also ends up causing people to do things like kill cops. I've seen people say killing the cops in Dallas wasn't wrong because it was self defense due to the police declaring overall war on the black race. Now I'm not saying everyone feels that way, but this stuff really can incite people just as much as a shooting can.

If you recall the incident where the cop body slammed the black teen in the classroom, right around the same time we had an FBI agent attacking a 15 yr. old and not only wasn't it in the news he didn't even get punished..while the other cop got fired. Keeping in mind the cop in the first example was responding to someone acting out(not saying it was right) while the FBI guy wasn't going after the teen due to the teen doing anything wrong. So people tend to not really care when law enforcement officials f*ck with people who aren't minority.

Then they go and they protest in a non-peaceful manner, even block roads. Not just any roads, but even an interstate apparently. Shit like that doesn't really endear you to anyone, it doesn't get them on your side. Then the for some reason think it's a good idea to throw molotov cocktails at cops. So okay if there is a black guy who thinks the cops will kill blacks for no good reason then why would you actually give them a legit reason? It makes no sense.

It's like a bear. If it already wants to kill you just because you exist..it's probably not best to go f*ck with it. Wait that is a good idea. Everyone should treat cops as if they are bears. Do not run, stand real still, and don't carry any honey on you. That last one is just in case a literal bear happens upon you.

Originally posted by Surtur
You are right it's about police killing citizens of all kinds. However, this often gets distorted into people just thinking it's white cops killing black people. That idea needs to be put the rest. For instance out of the two recent shootings by cops against blacks one of the cops was a Latino, not white. Yet it still almost gets framed like this is just white cops who are all wearing a KKK uniform secretly under their police uniforms.

It's dangerous rhetoric like that which also ends up causing people to do things like kill cops. I've seen people say killing the cops in Dallas wasn't wrong because it was self defense due to the police declaring overall war on the black race. Now I'm not saying everyone feels that way, but this stuff really can incite people just as much as a shooting can.

If you recall the incident where the cop body slammed the black teen in the classroom, right around the same time we had an FBI agent attacking a 15 yr. old and not only wasn't it in the news he didn't even get punished..while the other cop got fired. Keeping in mind the cop in the first example was responding to someone acting out(not saying it was right) while the FBI guy wasn't going after the teen due to the teen doing anything wrong. So people tend to not really care when law enforcement officials f*ck with people who aren't minority.

Then they go and they protest in a non-peaceful manner, even block roads. Not just any roads, but even an interstate apparently. Shit like that doesn't really endear you to anyone, it doesn't get them on your side. Then the for some reason think it's a good idea to throw molotov cocktails at cops. So okay if there is a black guy who thinks the cops will kill blacks for no good reason then why would you actually give them a legit reason? It makes no sense.

It's like a bear. If it already wants to kill you just because you exist..it's probably not best to go f*ck with it. Wait that is a good idea. Everyone should treat cops as if they are bears. Do not run, stand real still, and don't carry any honey on you. That last one is just in case a literal bear happens upon you.

Picture the scene.

You're a famous white guy...you get caught on camera being an ******* to a black guy...the media portrays you as a racist ******* even though there was no racism involved...everyone hates you and thinks you're a racist *******.

See if you just weren't an ******* in the first place then the media couldn't call you an *******, nevermind a racist *******

That is true, but that is also like saying if you weren't a criminal in the first place the police wouldn't of shot you.

But you see we can't even say that because it comes with the automatic assumption of "oh you are saying he deserved to die". Except no, pointing out this wouldn't of happened if the person hadn't been a criminal isn't saying they deserved to be shot. It's merely a fact. But in this country facts can apparently be racist. At least certain facts.

First, it's hard to become a cop in the US. Deep background check with polygraph or voice stress analyzer. Highly competitive and demanding physical tests.
second, cops are trained to expect the worse. This is for self preservation. Any job that entails hostile confrontation on a daily basis is trained this way. People who have no experience in these fields just don't know

Originally posted by Raisen
First, it's hard to become a cop in the US. Deep background check with polygraph or voice stress analyzer. Highly competitive and demanding physical tests.
second, cops are trained to expect the worse. This is for self preservation. Any job that entails hostile confrontation on a daily basis is trained this way. People who have no experience in these fields just don't know

Hard compared to where?

Originally posted by Surtur
That is true, but that is also like saying if you weren't a criminal in the first place the police wouldn't of shot you.

But you see we can't even say that because it comes with the automatic assumption of "oh you are saying he deserved to die". Except no, pointing out this wouldn't of happened if the person hadn't been a criminal isn't saying they deserved to be shot. It's merely a fact. But in this country facts can apparently be racist. At least certain facts.

In a lot of the cases the people being shot aren't criminals or at least aren't the correct person being sought by police. The case of Dillon Taylor for example. The guy shot in his car while getting his ID the other day is another.

Another issue we've discussed before is the militarization of the police in America and it's now apparent that it isn't just in terms of hardware (why do police forces need APCs and tanks with 50cal guns on them?) but also in terms of training.

Some might argue this is a response to a more heavily armed populace or criminal element. To me that's just an arms race in microcosm.

Now you have police being trained with a military mindset then they should subject to stringent military style rules of engagement.

A basic 'do not fire unless fired upon' rule would prevent almost these cases of unarmed people being shot and killed by police

Originally posted by jaden101
In a lot of the cases the people being shot aren't criminals or at least aren't the correct person being sought by police. The case of Dillon Taylor for example. The guy shot in his car while getting his ID the other day is another.

Another issue we've discussed before is the militarization of the police in America and it's now apparent that it isn't just in terms of hardware (why do police forces need APCs and tanks with 50cal guns on them?) but also in terms of training.

Some might argue this is a response to a more heavily armed populace or criminal element. To me that's just an arms race in microcosm.

Now you have police being trained with a military mindset then they should subject to stringent military style rules of engagement.

A basic 'do not fire unless fired upon' rule would prevent almost these cases of unarmed people being shot and killed by police

How does this fix what happened in Dallas? Or are you basically saying "well if cops hadn't killed innocent people..."?

Originally posted by jaden101
In a lot of the cases the people being shot aren't criminals or at least aren't the correct person being sought by police. The case of Dillon Taylor for example. The guy shot in his car while getting his ID the other day is another.

Another issue we've discussed before is the militarization of the police in America and it's now apparent that it isn't just in terms of hardware (why do police forces need APCs and tanks with 50cal guns on them?) but also in terms of training.

Some might argue this is a response to a more heavily armed populace or criminal element. To me that's just an arms race in microcosm.

Now you have police being trained with a military mindset then they should subject to stringent military style rules of engagement.

A basic 'do not fire unless fired upon' rule would prevent almost these cases of unarmed people being shot and killed by police

What are you talking about, in a majority of the cases we see in the media at least..the people were criminals. Saying "do not fire unless fired upon" is weird to me because what if when you are fired upon the first bullet kills you? What then? Why should criminals be allowed to make the first move?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
How does this fix what happened in Dallas? Or are you basically saying "well if cops hadn't killed innocent people..."?

I don't know because beyond him apparently saying he wanted to kill white people and in particular white police officers I don't know why he did it. If he's just a racist piece of shit (as being a member of a black power organisation suggests) then he might have still done it regardless of public opinion about the police. I don't know if he did it because he hates police over an incident specific to him.

Maybe new information has been released about it that I'm not caught up on yet though.

So in Toronto BLM showed up at a gay pride parade to whine about the cops some more and essentially shut it down and demanded a police float be removed.

Why do they think they can just do whatever they want?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=690371467783085&id=124978350989069

Yeah this seems a lot like martial law. Conservatives complaining about Jade Helm yet now they're defending the police state here.

It's going to continue to get out of hand, the summer just makes people crazy.