Originally posted by Stigma
Interesting piece:
It's funny because the people in the crowd just kind of clap and laugh off what he is saying. Sort of like the way you'd laugh at a person if they say something silly and untrue.
I mean that already speaks volumes. Just laugh away facts.
Video is utterly disgusting too: "he white, beat his ass b*tch! Ain't no white person better come down here!"
You know what, f*ck these people. send in the armed guard to deal with these savage pieces of shit. Animals deserve to be treated like animals.
It's almost like some want some kind of race war, which would be dumb because blacks make up only 13% of the population, they'd get demolished, period. Why start this shit?
Your country has isolated these people in violent, poorly-maintained and crime-ridden communities, with very limited access education; perpetuating criminal behavior. In fact you've even made a business out of it with your private prisons.
You don't have these "13% of the population..." statistics in any other predominately white country.
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Originally posted by Surtur
Right so, you are aware that he was indeed engaged in criminal activity so per what you said earlier..it's fair game to bring up, right? After all, if because of your criminal record you aren't supposed to have a firearm..you are in fact breaking the law just by having one.
Has that been independently corroborated, or are we just taking the person whose conduct is in question at their word?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If some police officers are willing to fabricate charges against someone whom they find to be a public nuisance, what will others do if they accidentally kill someone? Or are you suggesting that police in Connecticut are fundamentally different than those in South Carolina in some way?
This is bias and bigoted and profiling at its finest with zero facts to back up this outrageous claim.
Should we apply this to all black males as well using your same standard?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is bias and bigoted and profiling at its finest with zero facts to back up this outrageous claim.Should we apply this to all black males as well using your same standard?
There are two things at play here:
[list=1][*]Police work attracts people with authoritarian personality traits.
[*]Having actual authority can be a corrupting influence for many people.[/list]
That being the case, it is not unreasonable to hold police to a high standard of conduct, especially when there is evidence that police corruption happens.
So what is your solution? No Cops?
The interesting thing is Cops are part of the Government. Government hates the type of people police work attacks, but they need the police to enforce their stupid laws.
Look at my Avatar, second from the last.
You still didn't and wont address your completely bias and bigoted profiling of police.
Are all muslims terrorists cause one muslim commits terror?
Originally posted by Astner
The solution would have to be long-term. But a good place to start would be to take the African American residents out of the ghettos and spread them out. Of course, this would never work in classist society.
Every group Korea, China, Muslims, Somalis, just to name a few, they all build there own territories. China town, Korea Town and so on. Proper assimilation is everyone spreads out, but that never happens in many cases, just look at the refugees in Germany, France and other places.
Its not just blacks. You cant just take people and force them out of their homes.
This is one of the reasons why Merkel said Multiculturalism is a sham and creates parallel societies.
Originally posted by Astner
The solution would have to be long-term. But a good place to start would be to take the African American residents out of the ghettos and spread them out. Of course, this would never work in classist society.
What does this even mean? "Spread them out" ? Most people live in the ghetto because they can't afford to live in a better area. Saying we should spread them out sounds nice, but that makes the assumption they can afford to move elsewhere.
We've already done things like build cheap low income housing in suburban areas, and also I think free housing as well for mostly blacks and hispanics.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sometimes I'm sympathetic to the notion more frequently made on the Right that the black community's complaints about poverty just holds them back. If they were just more solutions oriented...
The problem is they tend to always look outwards for the cause of problems and never inwards. Being able to blame society(i.e. white people) for poverty and crime, etc. is an easy crutch to use. It doesn't help that our media goes out of their way to manipulate this situation and to stir the racial fires that are already burning.
What is messed up is..it is not like this country is 100% free of racism. But when you throw that word out so easily you begin to cheapen it. It might cause some to take real issues of racism less seriously.
Here is a more uplifting story about an encounter with a cop and a black teen:
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So what is your solution? No Cops?The interesting thing is Cops are part of the Government. Government hates the type of people police work attacks, but they need the police to enforce their stupid laws.
Look at my Avatar, second from the last.
You still didn't and wont address your completely bias and bigoted profiling of police.
Are all muslims terrorists cause one muslim commits terror?
The solution is better police work. Specifically, law enforcement agencies adopting a community-policing model, and police officers receiving conflict deescalation training and increasing the use of body cameras.
Moreover, I did address the issue, you just do not like my response. No one stated that because some police are corrupt, that all police are corrupt. Only that because we know that police corruption happens, that we should take accusations of police corruption seriously. The same applies to your example.
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Originally posted by Surtur
Are you asking me if his past criminal conduct has been corroborated? If so, it has.
No, that he was illegally in possession of a firearm at the time of the incident. You know, the whole premise of your argument that his past behavior should be a mitigating factor in his death.
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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, that he was illegally in possession of a firearm at the time of the incident. You know, the whole premise of your argument that his past behavior should be a mitigating factor in his death.
You are correct he was. He'd been convicted of assault with a deadly weapon in the past, as early as last year had the whole "threatened to murder his family with a gun" thing. Has a criminal record that spans across multiple states.
Legally he wasn't supposed to have a gun.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Why do NRA-nuts mysteriously change their tune when it's a black guy holding the gun?
Could you define what you mean by "changing their tune". It sounds like you are saying they are okay with an armed white man disobeying the cops, but not okay if an armed black man does it.
Gun nuts are pro the right to legally own firearms, but they are not pro the right to ignore repeated warnings from cops while armed.
They were far more likely than the general population to support those crazy militants a few months ago. Likewise, lots of these justifications for the shootings see the victim owning a gun as sufficient evidence.
And frankly, there are plenty of examples of NRA-style protesters openly flashing guns in front of the cops, and said cops coming over to calmly talk to them. If it were a bunch of black youth, they'd have been shot on sight.