Kurse vs. General Zod

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor was strong enough to crush Iron-man's armor, not to memtion stop and then with effort overpower ones of the Hulk's arms, the same Hulk who performed the Leviathan punch.

Kal crushed a Kryptonian security drone and punched through the hull of a Kryptonian scout ship that crash landed on Earth twice without a scratch. Zod was taking those blows over and over again and still couldn't be brought down.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Typical lowballing of a Marvel character.

Originally posted by Silent Master
According to TheGrat1's logic, Captain America is dozens of time stronger than Spider-man. after all Cap has sent people flying with hits, meanwhile several of Spider-man's named villains barely move when hit.

Well my "logic" is that F=MxA. We all know Spiderman is stronger than Cap, what it most likely neans is that Spidey holds back a lot in his fights.

Also one of the most annoying things about Spiderman 2 to me is the fact that Spidey can't knock out Dock Ock with one punch let alone the dozens he landed straight to his face.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Kal crushed a Kryptonian security drone and punched through the hull of a Kryptonian scout ship that crash landed on Earth twice without a scratch. Zod was taking those blows over and over again and still couldn't be brought down.

So when other people brought up the fact that Thor's punch spun Hulk 360 degrees they were low balling him then too?

Err... and what feats exactly has the security drone and the scout ship have? We know IM's armor can withstand tank fire. The scout ship you can say can survive entry into the atmosphere. But I don't know why you'd bring up the security drone.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
Well my "logic" is that F=MxA. We all know Spiderman is stronger than Cap, what it most likely neans is that Spidey holds back a lot in his fights.

Also one of the most annoying things about Spiderman 2 to me is the fact that Spidey can't knock out Dock Ock with one punch let alone the dozens he landed straight to his face.

So your argument is that Spider-Man was holding back over 90% of his strength every time he got in a fight, even when the person he's fighting had comparable strength?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Err... and what feats exactly has the security drone and the scout ship have? We know IM's armor can withstand tank fire. The scout ship you can say can survive entry into the atmosphere. But I don't know why you'd bring up the security drone.

Because it was an example of him crushing something in the same manner Thor did. The drone itself has hardly anything in the way of feats which is why I brought up the ship, which not only went through reentry but crash landed twice and didn't get a scratch on it.

The chest section withstood the tank fire, I'm sure the armor around the forearms isnt quite as reinforced. Iron Man's armor was also damaged by 20 millimeter anti-aircraft rounds from an F 22. It aint all that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So your argument is that Spider-Man was holding back over 90% of his strength every time he got in a fight, even when the person he's fighting had comparable strength?

I just rewatched all of his fight scenes against Green Goblin, New Goblin, and Venom. He was able to send people flying quite a few times with strikes. He was also fond of grappling and throwing them quite a distance. Not every punch launched somebody but that's similar to how every punch from a boxer isn't a haymaker. Cap doesn't send people flying with every punch either, so I don't see your point.

So every time someone with superstrenght doesn't send an opponent flying, it's because they are holding back?

Originally posted by playa1258
Both sides are lowballing. Typical lol.

I'm enjoying it.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
He had not charged it with lightning which means it was a strike that he perform purely with his physical strength. What are you trying to imply that as he rose up from his knees and swung the hammer across Hulk's jaw love that that was just supposed to be a love tap?

Im pretty sure Hulk could have soloed all of Avengers Easily if he wanted too.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So every time someone with superstrenght doesn't send an opponent flying, it's because they are holding back?

Right, but since movie Cap is strong enough to send people flying, you're basically arguing that every time Superman/Thor/Hulk/Zod etc don't send their opponents flying, they are using less that Cap level strength.

Originally posted by playa1258
I'm enjoying it.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
I think you forget that both Thor and Hulk took down those Giant Space Worm Ship? things with a single punch, banner did while not even in full hulk mode and he stopped it dead in its tracks. No way was that anywhere "near" a "full powered hammer strike"

Sigh. Here is the scene (can't embed I'm on my phone): http://youtu.be/rP3gmXMUkQg

Hulk does not simply snap off a punch and stop it dead in its tracks. He throws a right straight and then had to keep his fist pushed against the Leviathan all the while keeping his feet dug into the ground while he's being pushed back. He also cratered its head into the asphalt. He eventually has to use two hands on the Leviathan and even then he couldn't completely stop its momentum.

So: Hulk punch+ continued pushing+ friction from the street+ the aid of having his feet sunk into the ground = making the Leviathan flip over. Not stopping it in its tracks.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Right, but since movie Cap is strong enough to send people flying, you're basically arguing that every time Superman/Thor/Hulk/Zod etc don't send their opponents flying, they are using less that Cap level strength.

Depends on the opponent. Cap at full power probably couldn't even move Nam-Ek, Faora, Kal, or Zod. Remember, there are things one can do to mitigate such damage or reduce the effects of a blow such as bracing oneself or turning one's head away as a punch approaches.

There you go then, the Hulk was able to partially roll with the hits and that is the reason he didn't get sent flying as far.

Actually, a few jet fire rounds from an A-10 sent Nam Ek flying. While a full on autofire from a F-35 was barely noticeable to Hulk. And before you say that these are 2 different weapons, I know. An A-10's GAU 8 30 mm cannon hits at over 200k joules while a F-35's GAU 22 gunpod hits at about a little over 100k joules. Still, one knocked the largest Kryptonian pretty far (when he obviously knew it was coming) while the other barely even made the Hulk take notice (while he was getting shot in the back by it). And yet Thor knocked Hulk pretty far away while the Hulk had forward momentum on his side as well. And that is with a non charged hammer strike.

So yeah, no no small "feat" to knock Hulk back as far as he did.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Actually, a few jet fire rounds from an A-10 sent Nam Ek flying. While a full on autofire from a F-35 was barely noticeable to Hulk. And before you say that these are 2 different weapons, I know. An A-10's GAU 8 30 mm cannon hits at over 200k joules while a F-35's GAU 22 gunpod hits at about a little over 100k joules. Still, one knocked the largest Kryptonian pretty far (when he obviously knew it was coming) while the other barely even made the Hulk take notice (while he was getting shot in the back by it). And yet Thor knocked Hulk pretty far away while the Hulk had forward momentum on his side as well. And that is with a non charged hammer strike.

So yeah, no no small "feat" to knock Hulk back as far as he did.

I don't know what gun that f-35 was using but no way in hell was it the standard 3300 rounds per munute rotary xannon it's supposed to come with. First of all there were two when the f-35 only uses one and the firing rate was way too slow. The pilot should have burned through all of his rounds in less than 5 seconds and yet he was firing sustained for more than 7. So we have no way of saying for sure what that thing was using, probably some type of machine gun or autocannon.

So the larger which hits with 100% more strength knocked Nam back and the smaller one didn't knock hulk back.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
I don't know what gun that f-35 was using but no way in hell was it the standard 3300 rounds per munute rotary xannon it's supposed to come with. First of all there were two when the f-35 only uses one and the firing rate was way too slow. The pilot should have burned through all of his rounds in less than 5 seconds and yet he was firing sustained for more than 7. So we have no way of saying for sure what that thing was using, probably some type of machine gun or autocannon.

Yes, I pointed out the inconsistencies in my posts in the other thread. But standard armament of an F35 is the GAU 22. And it's 3-4 second max firing time (around 200 rounds). Firing rate isn't slow tho, what you see are the tracer or TP rounds. There are multiple rounds fired for each visible TP round you see.

There was no indicator of it being anything else or even if there are other gunpods designed for the F-35. It comes down to movies being inconsistent in general about these kinds of things. Heck, if you want to argue these kinds of things, one can say that the A-10 in MoS was inconsistent with how fast the firing rate was based on the impact marks on the movie. But this is "movies", and consistent physics isn't its strong point. However, if you want to claim that a different weapon was being fired, onus is on you to prove it.