If Black Adam was in the movie universe how strong would he be compared to superman? · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by krisblaze
It's probably better to argue using the line of reasoning that Superman almsot -never- cuts loose, and that he can equal Marvel and BA's performance when not doing so, rather than try to make a case for him being the strongest simply by people stating that he is the strongest person on earth.
I don't see how that's any different than Carver and the other retards claiming that Hulk is the most powerful because it's been said by a bunch of people.

Key word. ALMOST never cut loose. In some cases he does cut loose, especially when he's extremely ticked off.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Estacado
He can accept it.
If we are talking about a holding back Hulk.(WWH)

You're completely off topic along with the rest of your crew and is obviously trolling. If Hulk said he wasn't holding back and he is ticked off, I would NOT say he is holding back in whatever fight he is in. Keep up.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Jesus Christ. That showing happened almost during the end that I posted. Adam did not fight and didn't want to fight. The guy literally stood in one spot and let Superman heat visioned him. Adam turned his back because he knew it would stop a fight he saw as pointless in the beginning.

Yeah, that didn't happened. He was HVed first and then stopped fighting back.

Superman said he doesn't have to worry about holding back against Adam. He was MOST TICKED OFF. Doesn't sound like someone who is holding back.

He said he doesn't needs to hold back against Adam as much as he does against normal humans.

He says the same thing regarding Doomsday here.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

Yet, He is hurting his hands just punching Doomsday.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsdaySMAC648_18.jpg

He has only used his full strength ONCE in entire life.

http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1999%20Dec-Feb%20No%20Limits%20Superman%20152-153/?action=view&current=Supermanv2152-15.jpg

No need for me to shut up bro... you posted a scan of a statement as evidence and is in denial about acccepting every statement. Get out of here with that crap. Supermand couldn't even move Adam out of the city block and got over powered twice. I see no reason on him holding his strength back to accomplish a task of moving someone out of a destination to prevent civialians from getting hurt. Adam was just too strong. Look at Adam fights and compare it to his fight against Superman.

Yeah, shut up when you can't even comprehend simple concepts.

Yes, he has never been able to beat Captain Marvel one on one.

The result of the fight.

And Mon-El who was explicitly stronger than every hero on earth. Including Captain Marvel who Superman hospitalized.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02a.jpg
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Your turn.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Key word. ALMOST never cut loose. In some cases he does cut loose, especially when he's extremely ticked off.

Except he hasn't. He has even said to Creeper that he is not holding back against him.

😬

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Carver knows Superman better than Abhi; I judge him the winner.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that didn't happened. He was HVed first and then stopped fighting back.
He said he doesn't needs to hold back against Adam as much as he does against normal humans.
He says the same thing regarding Doomsday here.
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg
Yet, He is hurting his hands just punching Doomsday.
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/?action=view&current=ag_doomsdaySMAC648_18.jpg
He has only used his full strength ONCE in entire life.
http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1999%20Dec-Feb%20No%20Limits%20Superman%20152-153/?action=view&current=Supermanv2152-15.jpg
Yeah, shut up when you can't even comprehend simple concepts.
Yes, he has never been able to beat Captain Marvel one on one.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04a.jpg
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The result of the fight.
And Mon-El who was explicitly stronger than every hero on earth. Including Captain Marvel who Superman hospitalized.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02b.jpg
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Your turn.

He wasn't fighting seriously period during that fight. Show me something during that fight that would make Adam submit against Superman due to power level. Superman couldn't even move him from the city block...superman didn't have a single advantage during that fight. Why would Adam submit in a fight he wasn't even losing in? Think about it numbnuts.

😂 ...Doesn't Eclipso amp the user? I'm sure it does and was Cap out to kill Superman there or was he holding back since Eclipso compromised Superman.

Provide proof that Superman mental blocks wasn't on when he fought Doomsday. I say his mental blocks were on against Doomsday. Prove me wrong.

Lol...if Monel is stronger than every hero on the planet and Superman beat him, that obviously tells us that statement was false. Do you not know what started the dispute between me and you because you are all over the place.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver knows Superman better than Abhi; I judge him the winner.

Good to know someone is always thinking of me. Especially a male figure. 😐

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Originally posted by carver9
Lol...if Monel is stronger than every hero on the planet and Superman beat him, that obviously tells us that statement was false. Do you not know what started the dispute between me and you because you are all over the place.

Lol - can you not see the irony in this?

If Superman says he's not holding back, and still punches BA without breaking his hands (which, IIRC he did with Doomsday), then that obviously tells us that statement is false.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol - can you not see the irony in this?
If Superman says he's not holding back, and still punches BA without breaking his hands (which, IIRC he did with Doomsday), then that obviously tells us that statement is false.

This sentence would be so convincing if Supeman did not grow in power since then. He punched HP Doomsday yrs after that and did not receive the same results. Hell, he even drew blood from a more powerful Doomsday than what was shown during DOS. LOL... come on Dark, youre better than this. Superman has grown in power since DOS (the guy was koed by a freaking Gas station blowing up in the same arc)... yes, he hurt his hand then but using him in comparison to the Superman that Adam fought is laughable at best. Like busting out loud laughing.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't fighting seriously period during that fight. Show me something during that fight that would make Adam submit against Superman due to power level.

He was fighting Superman during the entire fight.

Superman couldn't even move him from the city block...superman didn't have a single advantage during that fight. Why would Adam submit in a fight he wasn't even losing in? Think about it numbnuts.

You are talking like Adam is a child who can be removed from the city against his will.

He can fly and Superman points out that he has made his fight in the middle of the city where Superman can't go all out.

😂 ...Doesn't Eclipso amp the user? I'm sure it does and was Cap out to kill Superman there or was he holding back since Eclipso compromised Superman.

Not to solar powered persons. Superman beat Eclipsed Mon-el even more quickly.

Provide proof that Superman mental blocks wasn't on when he fought Doomsday. I say his mental blocks were on against Doomsday. Prove me wrong.

What? That doesn't even made any sense.

Lol...if Monel is stronger than every hero on the planet and Superman beat him, that obviously tells us that statement was false.

He was stated to be stronger than Superman as well. Several times.

But that's what Superman does when he lets go.

Do you not know what started the dispute between me and you because you are all over the place.

Yes, you are taking a statement from Superman as a final proof that Superman was going all out.

And then flip flopping when that was proved untrue.

Superman must be going all out here as well.

Who knew Creeper was that powerful.

🙄

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
This sentence would be so convincing if Supeman did not grow in power since then. He punched HP Doomsday yrs after that and did not receive the same results. Hell, he even drew blood from a more powerful Doomsday than what was shown during DOS. LOL... come on Dark, youre better than this. Superman has grown in power since DOS (the guy was koed by a freaking Gas station blowing up in the same arc)... yes, he hurt his hand then but using him in comparison to the Superman that Adam fought is laughable at best. Like busting out loud laughing.

Yet, the same Superman beat the shit out of Captain Marvel who has received no amps since then.

So?

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Originally posted by carver9
This sentence would be so convincing if Supeman did not grow in power since then. He punched HP Doomsday yrs after that and did not receive the same results. Hell, he even drew blood from a more powerful Doomsday than what was shown during DOS. LOL... come on Dark, youre better than this. Superman has grown in power since DOS (the guy was koed by a freaking Gas station blowing up in the same arc)... yes, he hurt his hand then but using him in comparison to the Superman that Adam fought is laughable at best. Like busting out loud laughing.

So his durability increased (agreed) - did his strength NOT increase, then?

You're saying Supes' durability increased more than his strength, right?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So his durability increased (agreed) - did his strength NOT increase, then?
You're saying Supes' durability increased more than his strength, right?

LOL... here you go trying too hard again. Are you telling me Superman did not become stronger from DOS until Black Adam? I think a lot of Superman fans would disagree with you on that. Since you did say I'm loyal to Superman, I disagree with you as well.

LOL... durability increase. WOW!!!

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, the same Superman beat the shit out of Captain Marvel who has received no amps since then.
So?

Superman beat Captain Marvel in possession of an amp. I'm sure Cap was not going all out during that showing either. I have a set of scans I've been holding on too just for you. I want you to post that showing with Superman (in his grey and white suit) blitzing Captain Marvel. I'm asking you to post it.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
Superman beat Captain Marvel in possession of an amp. I'm sure Cap was not going all out during that showing either. I have a set of scans I've been holding on too just for you. I want you to post that showing with Superman (in his grey and white suit) blitzing Captain Marvel. I'm asking you to post it.

There was no amp. Superman and Eclipso's powers were weakness to each other.

http://i.imgur.com/K9jbIig.jpg

Cap was flat out saying it's time to get rough and not hold back in the middle of the fight.

srsly

You want to show me scans of Superman?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
LOL... here you go trying too hard again. Are you telling me Superman did not become stronger from DOS until Black Adam? I think a lot of Superman fans would disagree with you on that. Since you did say I'm loyal to Superman, I disagree with you as well.
LOL... durability increase. WOW!!!

So you think DOS Superman was weaker than Captain Marvel? Proof of this?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was fighting Superman during the entire fight.
You are talking like Adam is a child who can be removed from the city against his will.
He can fly and Superman points out that he has made his fight in the middle of the city where Superman can't go all out.
Not to solar powered persons. Superman beat Eclipsed Mon-el even more quickly.
What? That doesn't even made any sense.
He was stated to be stronger than Superman as well. Several times.
But that's what Superman does when he lets go.
Yes, you are taking a statement from Superman as a final proof that Superman was going all out.
And then flip flopping when that was proved untrue.
Superman must be going all out here as well.
Who knew Creeper was that powerful.
🙄

While trying to convince Superman that the fight is pointless. Like I've said and will continue to tell you, Adam had no reasons to be afraid of fighting Superman since he's shown that Superman was unable to even move him out of the city block and Adam over powering him twice. Also, lol at bringing up flight as a reason of being incapable of moving Adam. Do I honestly have to post scans of Superman moving powerful being out of a city? Stop being obtuse.

Superman was surprised he was still alive when fighting Monel and even mentions this. He slammed him against the moon. Not an impressive showing if you ask me and doesn't speak on Monel being as strong as he was mentioned to be.

LOL... no, that means Superman was stronger and the statement about Monel was a lie.

You flipped my words is what you did. I pointed out that Superman said he was ticked off more than ever and then you post a scan of someone saying Adam isn't the strongest on the field. Two different things bro.

Creeper was in possession of Eclipso and was amped which is the reason Superman tells us that he doesn't need to hold back any longer.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you think DOS Superman was weaker than Captain Marvel? Proof of this?

Reread my sentence.

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Originally posted by carver9
LOL... here you go trying too hard again. Are you telling me Superman did not become stronger from DOS until Black Adam? I think a lot of Superman fans would disagree with you on that. Since you did say I'm loyal to Superman, I disagree with you as well.
LOL... durability increase. WOW!!!

Lol, I think it is YOU who is not trying hard enough.

Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday. Going all-out.

Since then, his durability increased - in DOS, he was KOed by a gas station, later, he was KOed by flying into a moon at lightspeed.

Now, surely his strength ALSO increased from DoS? So that, by the time he's now fighting BA, surely, SURELY his strength has now increased that he can now punch so hard he hurts his hands (ASSUMING he goes all out, as in DoS)?

Can you see what I am trying to say here?

If Superman is going all out, he should be hurting his hands. Does not matter if his durability has increased, because his strength ALSO increased.

If he DOESN'T hurt his hands, either he's NOT going all out, or his durability increased at a higher rate than his strength.

If the former, then, as per your own words, the showings do not match the statements.

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For example, he tries punching Black Racer so hard, he hurts his own hand:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/3175136-0863149289-29530.jpg

THAT'S what happens when he punches all out. He manages to bypass his own durability.

With BA? No such thing occurred. Ergo, the showing does not match the statement.