If Black Adam was in the movie universe how strong would he be compared to superman?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For example, he tries punching Black Racer so hard, he hurts his own hand:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/3175136-0863149289-29530.jpg

THAT'S what happens when he punches all out. He manages to bypass his own durability.

With BA? No such thing occurred. Ergo, the showing does not match the statement.

Which could mean Black Racer is far more durable than Adam. Lol...I've never claimed that a peer could stand in one spot and tank punches from another peer. That scene tells us Racer is out of Superman's league and his pained hand is proof of this as well. Just let ABHI handle this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, I think it is YOU who is not trying hard enough.

Superman hurt his hands punching Doomsday. Going all-out.

Since then, his durability increased - in DOS, he was KOed by a gas station, later, he was KOed by flying into a moon at lightspeed.

Now, surely his strength ALSO increased from DoS? So that, by the time he's now fighting BA, surely, SURELY his strength has now increased that he can now punch so hard he hurts his hands (ASSUMING he goes all out, as in DoS)?

Can you see what I am trying to say here?

If Superman is going all out, he should be hurting his hands. Does not matter if his durability has increased, because his strength ALSO increased.

If he DOESN'T hurt his hands, either he's NOT going all out, or his durability increased at a higher rate than his strength.

If the former, then, as per your own words, the showings do not match the statements.

WTF. So you're telling me every time an elite goes all out, the confirmation of this is their knuckles hurting. Is this rule tier based?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For example, he tries punching Black Racer so hard, he hurts his own hand:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123129/3175136-0863149289-29530.jpg

THAT'S what happens when he punches all out. He manages to bypass his own durability.

With BA? No such thing occurred. Ergo, the showing does not match the statement.

Originally posted by carver9
WTF. So you're telling me every time an elite goes all out, the confirmation of this is their knuckles hurting. Is this rule tier based?

It's a feat of how hard they're punching. Surely, this is common sense? I'm not even talking about being a Superfan or not here - just that the showing contradicts the statement (as you yourself pointed out, it DOES occur from time to time).

We see what happens when Superman gets desperate and goes all out....and he punches so hard he hurts himself. As seen against Doomsday, and now, Black Racer.

But it wasn't seen against Black Adam.

To be honest I just don't really think saying we only know if Superman is going all out if he hurts his hands is the best way to go about it. Not every writer is going to show that Superman has gone all out by showing him hurting his hands.

Then how would you judge it?

Especially with a guy like Supes, who has lip service and names MMH as one of the beings he's afraid to face, has 'never been punched so hard before!' etc etc and is often used by writers as a 'Worf', to establish the Big Bad - before defeating them?

It depends on who he is fighting and if he would even need to use full force in order to have any sort of effect on them. If Black Adam is someone you think he genuinely wouldn't need to go all out on in order to harm due to his durability feats that is different. If it was a character that was perhaps new and had no other showings then I'd try to use perhaps destruction to the surroundings as some sort of clue in addition to character statements.

It is also possible that yes Superman does slowly grow in power so he might not necessarily always be hurting himself to go all out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's a feat of how hard they're punching. Surely, this is common sense? I'm not even talking about being a Superfan or not here - just that the showing contradicts the statement (as you yourself pointed out, it DOES occur from time to time).

We see what happens when Superman gets desperate and goes all out....and he punches so hard he hurts himself. As seen against Doomsday, and now, Black Racer.

But it wasn't seen against Black Adam.

Lol...so does this only apply to Superman or is this across the board? I don't think Hulk ever hurt his hand punching someone so I'm guessing he wasn't going all out. Thor broke his wrist hitting Haarold so I'm guessing that was the only time he went all out. Help me understand this. Is this just a Superman thang?

When Superman fought HP Doomsday, he didn't hurt his fist. Are you implying Superman was holding back against this version of Doomsday? I'm sure I can prove you wrong. Let me know (WTF).

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so does this only apply to Superman or is this across the board? I don't think Hulk ever hurt his hand punching someone so I'm guessing he wasn't going all out. Thor broke his wrist hitting Haarold so I'm guessing that was the only time he went all out. Help me understand this. Is this just a Superman thang?

When Superman fought HP Doomsday, he didn't hurt his fist. Are you implying Superman was holding back against this version of Doomsday? I'm sure I can prove you wrong. Let me know (WTF).

He wasn't trying to slug it out with HP Doomsday. He deliberately used long distance attacks. He was also poisoned when punching Doomsday, so not at 100%.

After that, his arm was broken in two places (imagine trying to punch with your right arm when your left arm is snapped). So not 100%.

I can prove this.

Good try, carver. But I will help you understand.

Just FYI:

The fight sequence is:

[list=1]
[*]Superman arrives on Apokolips, just as Doomsday is BFRed to Calaton.
[*]They arrive at Calaton, and Motherbox upgrades Superman
[*]Superman uses HV (and specifically says he DOESN'T want to use h2h)
[*]Doomsday fires his claws, and poisons Superman
[*]Superman uses sonics
[*]Superman punches him (once?)
[*]Superman uses his lightsabre, then HV
[*]Doomsday grabs him, and snaps his arm twice
[*]Superman gets caught up in that massive explosion, and 'hits his limit'
[*]Does a right uppercut, putting everything he has into it
[*]Sends Doomsday to the end of time.

[/list]

So at no point does he punch with everything he has, whilst fresh, at Doomsday.

Edit: I am mistaken, he punches Doomsday twice. With his poisoned arm, and actually says how '....inside me, the feelings of a scared little boy bubble to the surface. Unfortunately, confidence is everything in a situation like this....'

This isn't me being a Superfan. This is me being anti-carver. Your arguments are terrible.

Originally posted by carver9
Reread my sentence.

Originally posted by carver9
While trying to convince Superman that the fight is pointless.

That doesn't means he wasn't fighting back.

Like I've said and will continue to tell you, Adam had no reasons to be afraid of fighting Superman since he's shown that Superman was unable to even move him out of the city block and Adam over powering him twice.

That only happens in your eyes. But hey, you're the expert in making shit up.

Also, lol at bringing up flight as a reason of being incapable of moving Adam. Do I honestly have to post scans of Superman moving powerful being out of a city? Stop being obtuse.

Like who? I would like to see the scans carvster.

Superman was surprised he was still alive when fighting Monel and even mentions this. He slammed him against the moon. Not an impressive showing if you ask me and doesn't speak on Monel being as strong as he was mentioned to be.

Haha, he was surprised because he was getting asphyxiation.

Lulz@ it's not being impressive. Mon-El was moving planets and throwing planets at time trapper in those days.

But hey, make some more shit up.

LOL... no, that means Superman was stronger and the statement about Monel was a lie.

No, it doesn't.

You flipped my words is what you did. I pointed out that Superman said he was ticked off more than ever and then you post a scan of someone saying Adam isn't the strongest on the field. Two different things bro.

Him being ticked off more than ever is a flat out lie.

And why not, we are going by statements, are we not?

Creeper was in possession of Eclipso and was amped which is the reason Superman tells us that he doesn't need to hold back any longer.

So you think he was going all out against Creeper? Black Adam is as strong as Creeper?

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
At first. Then he was fighting just as much as Superman.

He turned his back because he knew he had no chance to win.
A Superman who was weakened by the magical virus of Yuurd. You will lose hard in who is called more powerful more times.

You're using a scan of Superman saying he doesn't needs to hold back as much as humans to denote as Superman was going all out.

Shut up already.

Around 75% to 80% strong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Around 75% to 80% strong.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So you think he was going all out against Creeper? Black Adam is as strong as Creeper?

😂

Eclipso amps everyone to trans levels.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
You sure about that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Eclipso amps everyone to trans levels.

Teth is a cheap Namor knock off.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Around 75% to 80% strong.

Didnt superman hurt his fist punching Thor in the cross over?

Also add thor to the list of people superman ever went all out on, he clearly hit him as hard as Doomsday.