Re: How strong are these guys physically to an "ALL OUT SUPERMAN"
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
A non holding back superman is (From Strongest to Weakest)Superman 100%
Mon El 75%
Captain Marvel 60%-65%
Martian Manhunter 55%
Wonder Woman 50%
Power Girl 45-50%This is being realistic based on feats from comics
All out Superman dwarfs all of them. He's totally different. None of these guys would be even 1% to him.
Now a typical holding back Superman would be only a little above Cap
I remember an eclipsed Superman facing off against Captain Marvel, and not being as far ahead of him as people on this site are trying to make others believe. Superman was going all out and Captain Marvel didn't appear to be as insignificant as so many are making it out to be. Now the next thing that will likely be launched is that Superman while eclipsed was secretly in control and still holding back despite Eclipso being in the drivers seat.
If Superman holding back is the difference between him almost evenly fighting Mongul and him one-shotting trans level characters left and right, then he has to hold back more than half his strength. Simple logic.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
People always say all out supes but ive never seen half his peers go all out either. Every hero pulls punchss
I agree. Every hero holds back, but it seems like Superman "holding back" is used as a convenient excuse to dismiss his losses and hype his wins.
Supes was recently knocked out having a mountain dropped on him, was he holding back his durability against a mountain? He was also getting his ass whooped by a telekinetically controlled Kryptonian warsuit, was he holding back against an empty war suit?
Originally posted by One-Punch
I agree. Every hero holds back, but it seems like Superman "holding back" is used as a convenient excuse to dismiss his losses and hype his wins.Supes was recently knocked out having a mountain dropped on him, was he holding back his durability against a mountain? He was also getting his ass whooped by a telekinetically controlled Kryptonian warsuit, was he holding back against an empty war suit?
So nope. It's also written by Dan Jurgens who thinks heralds are city level beings and a skyfather like Odin is planetary level at best, so it's not a good way to gauge.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well i just think its bullshit fanboy logic. Hulk holds back. Spiderman. Etc...people want me to believe that when clark cuts loose he's one shotting trans but wont give his peers who obviously hold back themselves the same treatment is bullshit.
Which other character can go from getting manhandled to oneshotting a character?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Weakened by Emperor Joker Superman vs Ignition who casually breaks his leg and was curbstomping superman untill he threatens lois after which Superman oneshots him.Ignition was hella powerful, he oneshot killed Superboy and Supergirl and oneshotted bizarro.
Superman oneshots bizarro.
The stupidity of the arguments of peole who don't read Superman comics is hilarious.
People should not opinion on topics where they lack knowledge because it makes them look stupid.
Easy example of Sm holding back is DOS and that is Byrne Superman going toe to toe with a foe that wrecked the JLA with one hand
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only hulk has displayed such holding back power. But he has also a dynamic powerset which allows him to get more powerful.Which other character can go from getting manhandled to oneshotting a character?
What are the scans for? I know his feats. I know what happens when the kid gloves come off. My thing is why not give other heroes the benefit of the doubt?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
The stupidity of the arguments of peole who don't read Superman comics is hilarious.People should not opinion on topics where they lack knowledge because it makes them look stupid.
Easy example of Sm holding back is DOS and that is Byrne Superman going toe to toe with a foe that wrecked the JLA with one hand
What are u referring to?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are the scans for? I know his feats. I know what happens when the kid gloves come off. My thing is why not give other heroes the benefit of the doubt?What are u referring to?
Not you Sin.
But Superman has a history of holding back and you can clearly see it when reading his comics. At least before the 52 crap.
Now if you are asking for a example.
Doomsday one shoted martian manhunter/bloodwyn, superman just kept going matching DD all the way till the end.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are the scans for? I know his feats. I know what happens when the kid gloves come off. My thing is why not give other heroes the benefit of the doubt?What are u referring to?
Simple as that. You don't see say Silver Surfer unable to affect a being with his blasts and then killing them with a few blasts.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are the scans for? I know his feats. I know what happens when the kid gloves come off. My thing is why not give other heroes the benefit of the doubt?
It's not that, at all. His powers are dynamic. Mongul was trying to get him over the mental blocks, Superman felt his powers surging during training.
Or when Batman cites Superman's kept his powers in check to the point he SUBCONSCIOUSLY REGULATES them.
Just two examples. After INFINITE CRISIS, the UP, UP AND AWAY storyline is an example itself. Superman was powerless after INFINITE CRISIS for one year, because part of him wanted to be normal. When he's attacked by a couple villains Intergang sent, he gets a bit of durability and probably speed back. When he's about to be hit by a train, more durability and strength. But still nowhere near before(akin to the early Golden Age levels). His powers came back more as needed. He even gained a couple new powers. Well, technically one was just a major improvement over what he already had, though Busiek treated it like a new power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Other characters don't display this kind of holding back.Simple as that. You don't see say Silver Surfer unable to affect a being with his blasts and then killing them with a few blasts.
Silver Surfer never goes all out. It would be a good analogy otherwise. I see where you're going with though. Im not doubting that his power is dynamic. Its been showm too often that it is. My thing is that he cant be the only one whose strength moves up when cutting loose
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Silver Surfer never goes all out. It would be a good analogy otherwise. I see where you're going with though. Im not doubting that his power is dynamic. Its been showm too often that it is. My thing is that he cant be the only one whose strength moves up when cutting loose
Fair enough. Until I see the proof, I wouldn't give the same ability to any other character.
