Originally posted by One-Punch👆
I agree. Every hero holds back, but it seems like Superman "holding back" is used as a convenient excuse to dismiss his losses and hype his wins.Supes was recently knocked out having a mountain dropped on him, was he holding back his durability against a mountain? He was also getting his ass whooped by a telekinetically controlled Kryptonian warsuit, was he holding back against an empty war suit?
Originally posted by abhilegendThor was shown up by Airwalker and destroyed him with one hammer toss as soon as he quit holding back. It's the same across the board. Only the superman fans want to act like there's some huge difference here. It's easy to see right through.
Other characters don't display this kind of holding back.Simple as that. You don't see say Silver Surfer unable to affect a being with his blasts and then killing them with a few blasts.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Not you Sin.But Superman has a history of holding back and you can clearly see it when reading his comics. At least before the 52 crap.
Now if you are asking for a example.
Doomsday one shoted martian manhunter/bloodwyn, superman just kept going matching DD all the way till the end.
All hero's does this. Not just Superman.
Originally posted by Raisen
but superman does it better because he is superman
There are several examples my dear neophyte and he has the explicit psionic based powers!!!
You are really dense.
Also show me the examples of someone steamrolling a team with one arm and another hero matching later on punch by punch if not shut up.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
There are several examples my dear neophyte and he has the explicit psionic based powers!!!You are really dense.
been a superman fan since the beginning. from a long line of superman fans. as a matter of fact, my relatives created superman. that's why i'm widely considered the ultimate authority on superman cannon.
it's all good. i'm here to help put supes into perspective
Originally posted by Raisen
been a superman fan since the beginning. from a long line of superman fans. as a matter of fact, my relatives created superman. that's why i'm widely considered the ultimate authority on superman cannon.
it's all good. i'm here to help put supes into perspective
Nah! Dude everyone knows you don't like superman and you like to troll superman threads.
Is ok dude. I can see you just do it to cause a reaction on superman fans that is why it does not bother me.
Every Hero can rise above himself, no doubt, this is not worth discussing. It's just a matter how far he can go up. WBH an Betty, aided by the wishing well were melting high metas and maybe low heralds as a side effect of their fight. Everyone said this is high trans or low Skyfather level. Now owaw supes increased his power maybe doubled it and even with a herald to aid him lost against a probe. The Probes were easily trans level beating teams and armies of heralds. Then supes went farther up and it ended in a double ko. So he went trans, maybe 5-10 times his normal self, like the probes. Later yet he was oneshottingt those probes, armies of them with ease, this was the only time, sans fc, he went all out, in a calm, focused way. His power level had to be at least 10 times above a probe. Yet the EA was still slightly above him. This EA failed against the tendrils once they increased 100 times in power, sundipped supes ripped them apart while pushing against engines powered by an abstract.
100%~>200%~>1000%~>10000%~>100000%
Ok Loeb wrote it and it sounds as childish as Dragonball but it's there, printed on paper.
Now, show me another herald increasing his power a 100 or 1000 fold just by letting finally go.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
There are several examples my dear neophyte and he has the explicit psionic based powers!!!You are really dense.
Also show me the examples of someone steamrolling a team with one arm and another hero matching later on punch by punch if not shut up.
I think you need to look at the Gorr arc with Thor or the Onslaught arc with Hulk, or all of Spiderman fights (almost his entire rogue is filled with people more powerful than him).
All of these people stepped above and beyond and defeated beings they had trouble with previously. Its what heros do.
Originally posted by carver9
I think you need to look at the Gorr arc with Thor or the Onslaught arc with Hulk, or all of Spiderman fights (almost his entire rogue is filled with people more powerful than him).All of these people stepped above and beyond and defeated beings they had trouble with previously. Its what heros do.
Oh yes they were handicapped when facing the teams? 😂
Oh and Hulk got an explicit help to match onslaught 😂 nice fail carver couldn't expect any less from you. 👆
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Oh yes they were handicapped when facing the teams? 😂Oh and Hulk got an explicit help to match onslaught 😂 nice fail carver couldn't expect any less from you. 👆
Handicap when facing who? Spiderman took out a team of Heralds and Metas on his lonesome. Hell, he has wrecked Ironman when cutting loose, Morlun, and beat the hell out of Firelord. I'm not going to name all hes done but when it comes to beating beings outside of your tier due to cutting loose...Spiderman takes the trophy. It is what heros do.
LOL... Hulk was assisted due to removing the mental block that holds his power back. Its not like we've never seen this version of Hulk on panel before without any assistance.
Originally posted by carver9
Handicap when facing who? Spiderman took out a team of Heralds and Metas on his lonesome. Hell, he has wrecked Ironman when cutting loose, Morlun, and beat the hell out of Firelord. I'm not going to name all hes done but when it comes to beating beings outside of your tier due to cutting loose...Spiderman takes the trophy. It is what heros do.LOL... Hulk was assisted due to removing the mental block that holds his power back. Its not like we've never seen this version of Hulk on panel before without any assistance.
So spiderman was handicaped when he took a team?
I don't think you get it as your brain is to tiny.
Doomsday while handicaped took out a jla team including Superman.
Then Doomsday broke lose and it made it worse for the team one shoting mmh superman matched him blow by blow.
Do you have any examples like that? Or do I have to exolain myself again?
Did Hulk required help? Yes he did, your example fails.
Also Spiderman being the underdog vs a herald is the same vs a single foe? How the hell? For that to work Firelord should had to wreck the avengens while Firelord was handicaped and then Spiderman comming in and MATCHING firelord in firepower, not out manouvering him to defeat him after all we do know spiderman reflexes are >>>>>>>>>> firelords.
So you have an example? No? Then move along kid
Also can you come up with a smart argument? I feel like is a waste of time responding to you childish weak arguments.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So spiderman was handicaped when he took a team?I don't think you get it as your brain is to tiny.
Doomsday while handicaped took out a jla team including Superman.
Then Doomsday broke lose and it made it worse for the team one shoting mmh superman matched him blow by blow.Do you have any examples like that? Or do I have to exolain myself again?
Did Hulk required help? Yes he did, your example fails.
Also Spiderman being the underdog vs a herald is the same vs a single foe? How the hell? For that to work Firelord should had to wreck the avengens while Firelord was handicaped and then Spiderman comming in and MATCHING firelord in firepower, not out manouvering him to defeat him after all we do know spiderman reflexes are >>>>>>>>>> firelords.
So you have an example? No? Then move along kid
Also can you come up with a smart argument? I feel like is a waste of time responding to you childish weak arguments.
So all of the heros, including Superman all gathered together and physically took Doomsday out? If I remember correctly, they all poured energy into Doomsday and he brushed it off. Maxima did far better than all of them combined when fighting Doomsday. Does she get some major props for this? I just think she did better because she took a different approach and physically handled Doomsday instead of throwing energy at him. Superman did better against Doomsday than him and the other heros due to physically handling him during the end instead of taking the heat vision approach again.
Hulk did that under his own power though. A Hulk we've seen on panel throughout history.
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Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman."