Superman & Zod Vs Thor & Hulk

Originally posted by Robtard
You're using Ulron's machine as a feat for Thor. That's like saying you can destroy a building with a hand gun, because you used a bullet fired from that gun to trigger the explosion of the bomb that was already in the building.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What durability feat is that?

So has the bleeding stopped? Are you officially out of hiding?

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No. Ultron's machine was designed to hold the rock together as it launched and then dropped into the earth. Nothing more. Thor's attack is what destroyed it. And Thor's other lighting feats are more impressive than Zod's anyways. Zod's is good; for sure. But still not as strong as Thor's and CERTAINLY not as varied.

Sorry, but you're wrong. They (Thor and Tony) overloaded the machine and used its own energies to destroy the landmass; this was the plot.

edit:

You can watch that scene where Tony explains it for yourself, but here's the MCU wikia breakdown:

"As the landmass plummets, Iron Man and Thor overload Ultron's machine and shatter the city into rubble, which falls safely into a lake."

Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, but you're wrong. They (Thor and Tony) overloaded the machine and used its own energies to destroy the landmass; this was the plot.

edit:

You can watch that scene where Tony explains it for yourself, but here's the MCU wikia breakdown:

"As the landmass plummets, Iron Man and Thor overload Ultron's machine and shatter the city into rubble, which falls safely into a lake."

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Oh, and what exactly overloads it? The amount of power and lightning Thor brings down on that city is the main factor here. Let's say that we (generously) give Tony even 50% of the credit. It's still more impressive than anything HV has done so far.

Dude, come on. Tony and Thor overloaded the machine and the machine exploding is what destroyed the landmass, this was the plot. You're giving a "city busting" feat to Thor that isn't his, it was the machine's.

eg Would you say a small detonator is the same as multiple sticks of TNT because the detonator is what caused the TNT to explode and take down a building? You wouldn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, come on. Tony and Thor overloaded the machine and the machine exploding is what destroyed the landmass, this was the plot. You're giving a "city busting" feat to Thor that isn't his, it was the machine's.

eg Would you say a small detonator is the same as multiple sticks of TNT because the detonator is what caused the TNT to explode and take down a building? You wouldn't.

Just weird now. Thor and IM were the heroes, they're the ones that stayed behind to destroy the machine and save humanity.

But the plot as IM explains is that if they overload the machine, the resulting explosion will destroy the landmass. The machine destroyed the landmass; they used something that was going to kill off humanity to save it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Just weird now. Thor and IM were the heroes, they're the ones that stayed behind to destroy the machine and save humanity.

But the plot as IM explains is that if they overload the machine, the resulting explosion will destroy the landmass. The machine destroyed the landmass; they used something that was going to kill off humanity to save it.

Ultron's machine was simply built to hold the landmass together as it also lifted and flew it into the atmosphere. Once it got high enough, it was basically a dead weight given free fall. Iron man charged the main shaft so that Thor could overload it and cause a mass explosion. THEY destroyed the city. Not Ultron. Nice that dc guys like you try your best to take away any credible feats any chance you get though. thought that was above you rob.

Trying to have a normal conversation, can you stop with the silly baseless attacks because you happened to misinterpret a scene? It's really not a big deal; I'm not making it one.

They overloaded the machine, the resulting explosion (ie machine exploding like a bomb) destroyed the landmass, this was literally the plot. Giving Thor and/or Tony the ability/feat to destroy a city because they used something else to do so is flawed; it's not like this ability is standard to either of them. You're giving Thor and possibly Tony feats they do not normally show/possess.

(This is an aside as it really doesn't matter to our convo, but the landmass wasn't going to free fall, the machine was going to reverse polarity and then speed the landmass back down, turning it into a humanity killer. Tony explains this as well in the scene)

edit: Look at it this way, do you think Thor could destroy a landmass as we saw without using Ulron's exploding machine?

Originally posted by NemeBro
[b]The energy required to terraform a planet is considerably greater than anything Thor or Hulk have taken or dished out. Also, there was only cars and shit left on the outer rim of the blast. Superman was at the center, in the middle of the flattened crater where buildings and skyscrapers used to be, and was completely unharmed.

Also, we do in fact know how strong his heat vision is. We see the destruction it causes in the trailer. [/B]

Yeah, true. 👆

That beam was on for an awfully long time and hadn't even destroyed a single city, so let's stop with the massive exaggeration of it's hitting power.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The energy required to terraform a planet is considerably greater than anything Thor or Hulk have taken or dished out. Also, there was only cars and shit left on the outer rim of the blast. Superman was at the center, in the middle of the flattened crater where buildings and skyscrapers used to be, and was completely unharmed.

Also, we do in fact know how strong his heat vision is. We see the destruction it causes in the trailer.

The energy is greater true but the destructive power is not. After all, Thor can take out an entire city, the WE didn't. Therefore, Superman surviving that World Engine beam is not quite as impressive as you make it sound like, simply because we can't really quantify what kind of force that beam was generating

Originally posted by Robtard

edit: Look at it this way, do you think Thor could destroy a landmass as we saw without using Ulron's exploding machine?

As far as can Thor destroy a city sized land mass? I wouldn't say easily. Based off the Jotunheim feat and the AoU feat though I'd say he could; sure.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
You're right about the reversal of the engines; I'd forgot about that. Doesn't change the fact that the machine was not a bomb. It was merely a vessel.

As far as can Thor destroy a city sized land mass? I wouldn't say easily. Based off the Jotunheim feat and the AoU feat though I'd say he could; sure.

It exploded like a bomb after it was overloaded though. My advice would be to re-watch AOU, or at least skip to the Sokovia scene. Tony explains his plan and it's the resulting explosion of the machine that does the landmass in.

I disagree based on the same scenes and that's okay. Thor's not shown that level of output, at least not yet, am expecting his powers to be amped for Ragnarok.

Originally posted by Robtard
It exploded like a bomb after it was overloaded though. My advice would be to re-watch AOU, or at least skip to the Sokovia scene. Tony explains his plan and it's the resulting explosion of the machine that does the landmass in.

I disagree based on the same scenes and that's okay. Thor's not shown that level of output, at least not yet, am expecting his powers to be amped for Ragnarok.

The only thing we agree on is that he will be more "Thor-like" for Ragnarok.

Don't roll your eyes at me, mister. That was the plot.

For sure, he's seemingly not going to be on Earth or at least not much and the players around him will be heavy hitters, will allow MCU Thor to be more like comic Thor.

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't roll your eyes at me, mister. That was the plot.

For sure, he's seemingly not going to be on Earth or at least not much and the players around him will be heavy hitters, will allow MCU Thor to be more like comic Thor.

Rob, I didn't know you were this patient.

Lol.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Yes, he has. Maybe not by himself. But Thor in the movies has perhaps the greatest/most powerful feats of any super hero in movies. Watch Thor 1 again. He was pretty much impervious when he wanted to be and HANDLED the Destroyer. His Jotunheim busting feat as well; coupled with the AoU scene that you keep trying to give him 0 credit for 🙄 lead me to believe it's WELL within his powerset.

The only thing we agree on is that he will be more "Thor-like" for Ragnarok.

Smallville superman through a planet. I think he has the best feat. Or Donners superman turning back time.