Batman vs Loki

It's amazing how much Loki has to be gimped just to give Baleman a slight chance. However Loki was still smart and skilled enough to hide from Shield, who had access to every camera on the planet and hundreds if not thousands of agents.

Baleman has zero chance of ever tracking Loki down.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So... does this mean Loki still gets his strength and fighting abilities?

How does that mean he gets his strength still? He just said he was de powered.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's amazing how much Loki has to be gimped just to give Baleman a slight chance. However Loki was still smart and skilled enough to hide from Shield, who had access to every camera on the planet and hundreds if not thousands of agents.

Baleman has zero chance of ever tracking Loki down.

Loki has to be gimped because its a basically a immortal (give or take 5000 years) indestructible god with supernatural powers, vs a human being..

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How does that mean he gets his strength still? He just said he was de powered.

Because Impediment said this:

Originally posted by Impediment
When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

Yes on a human level..Thor was human at that point with above average strength and had good fighting skill, in which Loki would no were be that strong based on his skinny frame with literally no muscles because now he is human. Thor was still big and had lots of muscles.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes on a human level..Thor was human at that point with above average strength and had good fighting skill.

I'm just trying to clarify. Because if that's the case then are we giving Loki roughly the same amount of human strength Thor has? Maybe just a notch or so lower?

As I said above, Loki would no were be that strong based on his skinny frame with literally no muscles because now he is human. Thor was still big and had lots of muscles.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm just trying to clarify. Because if that's the case then are we giving Loki roughly the same amount of human strength Thor has? Maybe just a notch or so lower?

We can safely assume that Loki, on any level, is not as strong as Thor. However, I honestly don't know if Asgardians are "naturally stronger" than humans.

Thoughts?

*Edit: De-powered Thor doesn't have super strength. The ER scene where he was held down by the staff shows us this. I don't see why the same can't be said for Loki.

It would be like a skinny person vs a big guy with muscles. Thor made it pretty clear that his human form would not help anyone. Now if we take human Loki, how can he have strength with no actual muscles to note of?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
As I said above, Loki would no were be that strong based on his skinny frame with literally no muscles because now he is human. Thor was still big and had lots of muscles.

Strength is dependent on more than just big muscles. Loki is capable of trading and blocking blows from Thor which indicates that he's pretty near Thor's strength level. Loki is also a trained warrior with centuries of experience. That's quite a load of muscle memory.

Originally posted by Impediment
We can safely assume that Loki, on any level, is not as strong as Thor. However, I honestly don't know if Asgardians are "naturally stronger" than humans.

Thoughts?

*Edit: De-powered Thor doesn't have super strength. The ER scene where he was held down by the staff shows us this. I don't see why the same can't be said for Loki.

I agree, he had above average strength due to his physiology, but not super human.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Strength is dependent on more than just big muscles. Loki is capable of trading and blocking blows from Thor which indicates that he's pretty near Thor's strength level. Loki is also a trained warrior with centuries of experience. That's quite a load of muscle memory.

HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS POWERS! Going toe toe with Thor with powers hold no bearing here man. He is a skinny smaller then average person in mortal form with no muscles to note of.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I agree, he had above average strength due to his physiology, but not super human.

Seemed closer to peak human strength from the way he handled SHIELD agents. Above average strength is someone who regularly goes to the gym.

THIS ISNT DEPOWERED THOR!! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DE POWERED LOKI!

I get it you want Batman to lose based on circumventing the OP and Mod Ruling.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS POWERS! Going toe toe with Thor with powers hold no bearing here man. He is a skinny smaller then average person in mortal form with no muscles to note of.

So if he doesn't have his powers? Asgardian Loki was trading blows with Asgardian Thor. Is it really such a stretch to think human Loki won't have a similar comparison to human Thor?

So a small skinny person with agility can trade blows with a much bigger stronger person with better agility?

It is not safe to assume Loki has strength in human form when he does not have the physiology to base it on.

I see no reason for Loki to fail, I mean he was smart enough to stay a step ahead of Shield.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
THIS ISNT DEPOWERED THOR!! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DE POWERED LOKI!

I get it you want Batman to lose based on circumventing the OP and Mod Ruling, I'm out.

How am I circumventing mod ruling? I'm assuming Loki's human strength is comparable to human Thor's simply because Loki's asgardian strength is also near to Thor's asgardian strength. So it follows that their human strength would be similar, with Thor somewhat stronger.

Your reasoning however is that Loki must be weak because he doesn't have big muscles.

Tell me honestly, which argument here makes more sense?

You are comparing apples to oranges. Thor isn't just somewhat what stronger, he is a lot stronger, unless you think in god form Loki can trade blows with Hulk now.

Sorry you can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You are comparing apples to oranges. Thor isn't just somewhat what stronger, he is a lot stronger, unless you think in god form Loki can trade blows with Hulk now.

Sorry you can't have it both ways.

I'm calling it as I see it. We've seen Loki trade blows with Thor quite a lot and Loki can hang in there with Thor for quite a bit. Yes Thor is stronger, but it's not so much that Loki can't block and take blows from Thor.

So it only follows that without powers, Loki would still be within Thor's strength range. That makes a lot more sense than simply thinking Loki is weak because he doesn't have big muscles.

Plus you also neglect the fact that Loki is a trained warrior with centuries of experience.