Batman vs Loki

Originally posted by Impediment
We can safely assume that Loki, on any level, is not as strong as Thor. However, I honestly don't know if Asgardians are "naturally stronger" than humans.

Thoughts?

*Edit: De-powered Thor doesn't have super strength. The ER scene where he was held down by the staff shows us this. I don't see why the same can't be said for Loki.

I don't really think human Thor had superhuman strength. Based on how he handled the SHIELD agents I'd say he has peak human strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm calling it as I see it. We've seen Loki trade blows with Thor quite a lot and Loki can hang in there with Thor for quite a bit. Yes Thor is stronger, but it's not so much that Loki can't block and take blows from Thor.

So it only follows that without powers, Loki would still be within Thor's strength range. That makes a lot more sense than simply thinking Loki is weak because he doesn't have big muscles.

Plus you also neglect the fact that Loki is a trained warrior with centuries of experience.

So your throwing out Thor stating he has always held back on Loki.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So your throwing out Thor stating he has always held back on Loki.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Loki is strong and skilled enough to give Thor a hard time, such that Thor needs to get very serious if he wants to take out Loki. Which means Loki is still within Thor's range. It's not like Thor can just toy around with Loki.

He never gave Thor a hard time. He never wanted to hurt or kill Loki even when Loki wanted to do the same to him. Don't you understand their fights were brotherly fights with Thor being the stronger loving brother even knowing that Loki despised him? And yes if Thor wanted to he could toy with him. He was always holding back and always gimping himself to help his brother.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, OP revised thread to allow mind control. With mind control he should do it very easily.

But even without mind control, this is a guy a thousand years old. Who's quite a capable combatant himself and is known for making plots within plots. That's already quite a number of advantages compared to the usual crime lords of Gotham.

age doesnt necessarily equate to knowledge or wisdom.. I know some old people that are dumb as ****, that argument holds no weight

Yea just look at how stupid Loki thought Thor was and they were the same age. Or look at how stupid Odin thought Loki was, age means nothing here.

Originally posted by relentless1
age doesnt necessarily equate to knowledge or wisdom.. I know some old people that are dumb as ****, that argument holds no weight

But we know it does in Loki's case as he was able to run circles around Shield. Seriously, at some point you really need to watch the movies.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He never gave Thor a hard time. He never wanted to hurt or kill Loki even when Loki wanted to do the same to him. Don't you understand their fights were brotherly fights with Thor being the stronger loving brother even knowing that Loki despised him? And yes if Thor wanted to he could toy with him. He was always holding back and always gimping himself to help his brother.

Then we disagree. If Thor was truly that far above Loki then he could easily incapacitate Loki without too much effort. The fact that he had to get pretty serious to eventually take out Loki shows that Loki is closer to Thor than you're willing to admit.

So then you think Loki could trade blows with Hulk.

Gotcha.

Loki could not even KO cap.

Thor is leagues above Loki.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So then you think Loki could trade blows with Hulk.

Gotcha.

Heck I don't think Thor could trade blows with Hulk, not for long anyway. I do think Loki could put up a good fight against Hulk.

Thor can and has shown he can. So if you think Loki is that close then that means you think Loki could as well.

And no, he wouldn't and we already have screen feats that prove he wouldn't put up any fight in h2h. He gets rag dolled, again. He could not even put Cap down.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thor can and has shown he can. So if you think Loki is that close then that means you think Loki could as well.

And no, he wouldn't and we already have screen feats that prove he wouldn't put up any fight in h2h. He gets rag dolled, again.

You have zero screenfeats of Loki actually trying to fight Hulk. Try again.

You have zero evidence to prove he could put up a good fight against Hulk.

Try harder

See this is what you do when I prove your logic piss poor.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You have zero evidence to prove he could put up a good fight against Hulk.

Try harder

See this is what you do when I prove your logic piss poor.

I have proof he can put up a good fight against Thor, and proof that Thor puts up a good fight against Hulk. You have zero proof to show that Loki can't put up a good fight against Hulk.

Thor was holding back, Loki is way below Thor, try again.

Hulk already beat down Loki.

Loki could not put Cap down.

Try again

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thor was holding back, Loki is way below Thor, try again.

Hulk already beat down Loki.

Loki could not put Cap down.

Try again

Below Thor? Yes. Way below Thor? No. Thor obviously had difficulty in fighting Loki.

Loki never tried to fight Hulk.

Loki only had how many seconds to fight Cap? Considering the fact that Cap is skilled and strong enough to fight off Ultron, Cap isn't exactly a lightweight.

Batman had trouble with Joker.

😂

Concession accepted

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
😂

Concession accepted

K

Prove Loki has more durability on human form then joker who has been shown in all movies and comics to have insane damage soak.

Show me one slice of evidence showing Loki in human form having more damage soak then Joker.

I also forgot to mention. Kurse wrecked Thor harder then then Hulk wrecked Loki and Thor recovered much faster😂

Thor is leagues above Loki.

Thor is a fully powered Asgardian where is Loki is a runt frost giant.