Batman vs Loki

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Joker has always had unreal damage soak. This has been portrayed in every single movie and cartoon he has ever been in. Loki is no Thor in combat, so you can't assume human Loki is now > Batman.

Thor is a better combatant, but Loki is good enough that Thor is unable to beat him unless he takes him very seriously. But fighting and standing up to Thor is still more impressive than Baleman defeating Bane through his mask weakness.

This is human Loki...he has no powers, Baleman has survived being burned alive, having his back broken, having the roof collapse on him, falling 6 stories and a whole host of other insane feats and walking away. I don't get how you can think Loki will have the same endurance and damage soak in human form.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
This is human Loki...he has no powers, Baleman has survived being burned alive, having his back broken, having the roof collapse on him, falling 6 stories and a whole host of other insane feats and walking away. I don't get how you can think Loki will have the same endurance and damage soak in human form.

OP has given Loki the same physical stats as human Thor.

I don't recall when Baleman has been burned alive. Where was this? Falling 6 stories was him using his bat cloak yes?

Yes but he crushed a entire van..so he was coming down with incredible force that had impact on his body.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yes but he crushed a entire van..so he was coming down with incredible force that had impact on his body.

Yes but his cloak, the van and his armor had a lot to do with diminishing the impact so it's not such a high durability feat for him.

Ok so those feats because he had armor dont count, now if you are going to apply Thor's durability in human form, and say what Loki's armor is going to make up the difference? Then Loki does not get any help from his armor either, it goes both ways.

If we take plain clothes Baleman vs Loki, he beats Loki. We already had a thread that had Baleman beating plain clothes human Thor..

Funny, seeing as not more than a few posts ago you were claiming that Loki's armor feats didn't count.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ok so those feats because he had armor dont count, now if you are going to apply Thor's durability in human form, and say what Loki's armor is going to make up the difference? Then Loki does not get any help from his armor either, it goes both ways.

If we take plain clothes Baleman vs Loki, he beats Loki. We already had a thread that had Baleman beating plain clothes human Thor..

Yeah, we had Baleman vs. depowered Thor, if I recall correctly there was roughly an equal amount of people on both sides of that fight.

Pretty difficult to make this into a pure fight due to Loki's lack of depowered feats. If we give him human Thor's stats then might as well go back to Thor vs. Batman.

So let's just discuss the original point in the topic which was whether human Loki could take over gotham.

Ra's tried this and failed, how would loki succeed without the scepter, tricks and mind control?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ra's tried this and failed, how would loki succeed without the scepter, tricks and mind control?

Actually, OP revised thread to allow mind control. With mind control he should do it very easily.

But even without mind control, this is a guy a thousand years old. Who's quite a capable combatant himself and is known for making plots within plots. That's already quite a number of advantages compared to the usual crime lords of Gotham.

So he has the scepter now? Pretty unfair now? Odin in his old age was clsoe to 5000 years old, Loki is no where near that old.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So he has the scepter now? Pretty unfair now? Odin in his old age was clsoe to 5000 years old, Loki is no where near that old.

We did the computation in some other thread. Basically Thor and Loki round off to around a thousand years old.

So OP changed the situation and he now has the scepter?

/thread

Forum rules say OP cannot be changed unless its less then 1-3 posts in. So this has gotten pretty dumb.

"7) When the thread starter makes a new thread, it is very important to cement the conditions of the scenario in the first few posts. This is to avoid confusion and frustration among the other posters. It will not be acceptable for the thread starter to randomly change the conditions of the thread at random intervals. Once the settings/weapons/gear/handicaps/abilities/etc have been cemented in the first few posts of the thread, that is how they will stay. Therefore, be very sure and for certain of how you want your thread to be constructed."

The rules clearly specify that changing the conditions when the thread is well underway is not allowed.

Back to topic, please.

Which means Loki has his armor, knives and imo magic. As magic was stated to be a learned skill rather than an inherent power.

Which means he still beats Baleman and conquers Gotham.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Odin strips Loki of his powers and banishes him to Midgard as a mortal.

When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

The OP clearly states that Loki has been stripped of his powers/abilities and is sent to live on Earth as a mortal man. We can safely assume that Loki has no powers/abilities or gear, save for the clothes that he is wearing.

Originally posted by Impediment
When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

The OP clearly states that Loki has been stripped of his powers/abilities and is sent to live on Earth as a mortal man. We can safely assume that Loki has no powers/abilities or gear, save for the clothes that he is wearing.

#BOOM
#Dropthemic

Originally posted by Impediment
When Odin banished Thor, Thor landed on Earth with standard Asgardian clothes, not armor, and had no abilities save for his strength and fighting skills.

So... does this mean Loki still gets his strength and fighting abilities?