Arcann vs. DOE Bane (Force battle)

Started by Beniboybling5 pages

Yah the novel clearly states the entire structure is 20 meters in height, either SWTOR is a retcon, or his fleet blew several dozen meters off of it.

And then twice it says the entrance is 20 meters up, which doesn't go all the way to the top of the temple.

When does it say that once, let alone twice?

I'm on my phone, but I can get you the quotes when I get home in 7 or 8 hours.

OK I looked it up myself, seems there is at least one passage in that vein:

Battling through the halls and corridors, the combatants rounded a corner to bring them in sight of the Rakatan Temple's only entrance: the wide archway and the small landing beyond, with the wide staircase leading back down to the ground nearly twenty meters below.

Nice to see Drew is so incompetent he contradicts himself within the space of a few chapters.

Hmm. This is a very close fight, honestly.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
OK I looked it up myself, seems there is at least one passage in that vein:

Battling through the halls and corridors, the combatants rounded a corner to bring them in sight of the Rakatan Temple's only entrance: the wide archway and the small landing beyond, with the wide staircase leading back down to the ground nearly twenty meters below.

Nice to see Drew is so incompetent he contradicts himself within the space of a few chapters.


Pretty sure they're on a higher floor and that they can see the entrance and staircase twenty meters below. As you can see in the picture, very little of the tower is actually that tall, even in TOR.

Nah, they are right in front of the entrance, Bane jumps down the staircase immediately after.

Well that's stupid because right before it says the stair case takes up most of the wall, though that doesn't match any description of the temple I've seen, and even in TOR it doesn't have a 20 meter tall staircase, lel.

Originally posted by JKBart
Accurate depiction of Lehon temple. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
SWTOR is a retcon.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Uh, yeah it would, because if it lost a major supporting structure, what's left wouldn't be able to hold up the weight of the entire building because it wasn't built to support it.

That is not what that means. That's like arguing that Sidious must be thousands of times over more powerful than Bane, which is ridiculous to say the least. 😬

Refer to DMB. I'm not one for architecture explanations.

In what way? His RoT incarnation is superior to the Bane that collapsed the temple and his DoE incarnation is superior to said RoT incarnation.

Architecture explanation: an archway 20 meters up on the exterior of the temple is not holding all of its weight or structural integrity.

That doesn't make someone "two times removed more powerful," nor does that make up for the fact that those incarnations of him aren't superior to Arcann in anwyay. It doesn't make up for him to be, aside from Maul or Dooku(which I still doubt) the weakest Banite Sith, at any point in his life. Him being "more powerful than the guy that needed to gather power over an extended period of time to break a wall," is cool. Doesn't really change anything.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/fe/Unkwld_temple.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080604205953

^The walkway is almost as tall as the base wall of the structure. Based on it's almost pyramid-like design, it makes sense that destroying that arch and outer wall could cause the upper levels to cave in.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That doesn't make someone "two times removed more powerful," nor does that make up for the fact that those incarnations of him aren't superior to Arcann in anwyay. It doesn't make up for him to be, aside from Maul or Dooku(which I still doubt) the weakest Banite Sith, at any point in his life. Him being "more powerful than the guy that needed to gather power over an extended period of time to break a wall," is cool. Doesn't really change anything.

*Shrug* Guess I could have phrased it better. Sorry it wasn't to your liking.

Arcann's best supposed feat is keeping himself from dying to Vitiate's lightning and overwhelming either the HoT or Darth Nox. I'm still iffy on the overwhelming protagonists feat as it's unspecified which character he actually overwhelms. I don't hold to the line of thinking that it means he could overwhelm both. To collapse a temple. It does because collapsing a 20 meter temple is around or on par with overwhelming the HoT ( until it's specified I'll assume he overwhelmed the lightside protag ) and having decades to become more powerful and being stated as more powerful in both RoT and DoE seems to suggest that he is superior in the force.

I'm still waiting for dat quote, Syn.

Given the Hero's accolades and his/her accomplishments, I'm not confident that the Lehon feat is on par with throwing him/her around consistently.

It depends on whether the Outlander was at full fighting strength tbh.

Also note that Arcann was only able to ragdoll the Outlander after knocking him on his ass and later presumably wearing him down.