I'm sensing a touch of hostility here. Does the S stand for salt or what bro?
You were making the point that we can't directly compare Dooku to Savage in TK, despite that it actually happens flat out at one point. I was just trying to contribute, you're the only who's getting personal about this. I'm not seeing where my bias is supposed to come in, I dislike Dooku.
Also, no it still wasn't beskar. :winku:
Originally posted by ILSWait, so just because Maul once resisted nightsister lightning, its a safe bet that Savage properly learned how to defend against powerful lightning? Maul is basically tanking the lightning there, not shielding himself against it. If the lightning was more potent, I doubt he could just keep moving like that.
Lmao, it was his first time combating lightning. As I said, with Maul's tutelage, the experience gained from the fight and the cut footage showing him deflecting Sidious' lightning, I'd say it's a safe bet he knew what to do after that point. Lightning aside he wasn't being "handled" and Ventress' emotion-fueled commentary means jackshit. Try again.It's like you and Neph can't physically prevent yourselves from nitpicking anything and everything that could lower Savage's standing. Talk about open bias.
I checked your RT and haven't been able to find anything else. Enlighten me if there is more to it. Also, LOL @ Savage surviving Sidious' lightning. That scene is cut footage for a reason.
More like you're wanking Savage more than he deserves to be wanked. I already conceded that I was underestimating his growth and wasn't even sure if he could take hope Malgus where now I accept that he'd give deceived Malgus a good fight. I still disagree with you about Savage nearing Dooku level and I'd hardly call that a biased opinion.
@Neph Let me re-phrase this then; we can't directly compare Dooku to Savage in TK in a non-retarded way. Savage is a Force prodigy who grows very quickly, using something that happened two TCW seasons before his prime to gauge him is silly.
You only ever have negative points to raise about Savage, hence bias.
Dooku's got the better object manipulation feats undoubtedly.
Savage when enraged has briefly overwhelmed both Dooku and Ventress while they were fighting eachother along with Obi Wan and Anakin who were likely unprepared and a group of droids.
Dooku has given pause to both Anakin and Obi Wan and a group of Pikes with a casual force push along with taking out Kenobi in RotS.
Savage improved up to his death and I firmly believe he is around his brother's level of power.
However I believe that his feats as they are and as they will remain are below Dooku's. Is it by an enormous margin? No. Is there a gap? Yes.
Personally do I think it's enough to allow Dooku to ragdoll or overwhelm Savage consistently? No. I do believe however it would give him an advantage in that Savage would have to focus on defending himself from said attacks and Dooku who has shown himself capable of deftly chaining in such attacks would be able to take advantage of this.
So essentially to answer the question, is there a gap between Dooku and Savage? Yes. Would it be enough to drastically change the outcome of a fight? No. Would it be enough to affect the outcome of a fight? Yes.
And that's the stance I hold on the matter.
Originally posted by SiniousUhm... no? Do you know how to read? I listed three reasons, you quoted those three reasons, and then say "wait, so you only have one reason"... what? Maul would have learned from the experience too, hence why I think over the course of Savage's training he'd probably clue him in. Savage is also very bright so he would have learned from his experience as well.
Wait, so just because Maul once resisted nightsister lightning, its a safe bet that Savage properly learned how to defend against powerful lightning? Maul is basically tanking the lightning there, not shielding himself against it. If the lightning was more potent, I doubt he could just keep moving like that.I checked your RT and haven't been able to find anything else. Enlighten me if there is more to it. Also, LOL @ Savage surviving Sidious' lightning. That scene is cut footage for a reason.
More like you're wanking Savage more than he deserves to be wanked. I already conceded that I was underestimating his growth and wasn't even sure if he could take hope Malgus where now I accept that he'd give deceived Malgus a good fight. I still disagree with you about Savage nearing Dooku level and I'd hardly call that a biased opinion.
I wasn't claiming Savage can survive Sidious' lightning, I'm aware the scene is pretty... comical. I was merely showing that by that point in time Savage had the initiative to try and block lightning. It only makes sense.
Your arguments thus far have sucked, doe. Little of what I've said has been refuted. you've resorted to nitpicking with Neph. And while you worry about assigning characters a "level" I'm going to go ahead and continue looking at how they actually fight for an answer. 👆
Originally posted by ILS
@Neph Let me re-phrase this then; we can't directly compare Dooku to Savage in TK in a non-retarded way. Savage is a Force prodigy who grows very quickly, using something that happened two TCW seasons before his prime to gauge him is silly.You only ever have negative points to raise about Savage, hence bias.
And like I said, unless he literally multiplied in power, which is utterly ridiculous, the comparison should still be reasonably solid. Also I don't think theres anything indicating a massive improvement after that, he doesn't have any feats vastly superior to such a degree.
You only ever have positive points to raise about him, hence you're Hitler. Obviously.
Originally posted by ILSThen list the experiences that allowed him to learn how to properly defend against lightning, and master it enough to fully teach another. One of those reasons was irrelevant since its a deleted scene that wasn't even properly animated, I don't recall any useful experiences Maul has so like I said, enlighten me.
Uhm... no? Do you know how to read? I listed three reasons, you quoted those three reasons, and then say "wait, so you only have one reason"... what? Maul would have learned from the experience too, hence why I think over the course of Savage's training he'd probably clue him in. Savage is also very bright so he would have learned from his experience as well.I wasn't claiming Savage can survive Sidious' lightning, I'm aware the scene is pretty... comical. I was merely showing that by that point in time Savage had the initiative to try and block lightning. It only makes sense.
Your arguments thus far have sucked, doe. Little of what I've said has been refuted. you've resorted to nitpicking with Neph. And while you worry about assigning characters a "level" I'm going to go ahead and continue looking at how they actually fight for an answer. 👆
I haven't really argued much, and agree that characters would perform differently against different type of combatants. It's pretty much proven by both canon and legends so not sure why you think anyone's denying that. I meant he doesn't near Dooku level as in he still has far less experience and knowledge of the force, he is far less skilled, and at best has his brother's raw power (unless you think Savage is more powerful than Maul) who is not as powerful as Dooku. Like I said, Savage's OP enraged moments are not a reflection of how he usually fights.
Originally posted by NephthysWhy is it ridiculous? That is the first time Savage lifted an object telekinetically, as far as we know. Of course he is going to be terrible.
And like I said, unless he literally multiplied in power, which is utterly ridiculous, the comparison should still be reasonably solid. Also I don't think theres anything indicating a massive improvement after that, he doesn't have any feats vastly superior to such a degree.You only ever have positive points to raise about him, hence you're Hitler. Obviously.
Really if Dooku was so much more powerful than Savage the latter wouldn't have been able to tank five successive bursts of his Force lightning, nor would have Savage been able to knock him on his ass with a blow, or tear through his Force barriers while simultaneously dominating Ventress. Dooku himself acknowledges Savage to be a threat to him, so obviously he is.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Really if Dooku was so much more powerful than Savage the latter wouldn't have been able to tank five successive bursts of his Force lightning
Savage is a magic-enhanced monster wearing heavy armor though and it's not like Dooku's got stellar lightning or anything. 😬
Originally posted by SiniousSo he's gonna what, leak intel or something?
He had knowledge of all of them and was an unpredictable beast who was growing in power over the time. Of course he was a threat. That doesn't mean Dooku vs Savage is a great fight lol
Dooku states that Savage's power is a threat to him, nothing else, and their last engagement was hardly a stomp in the Count's favour.
Originally posted by NephthysRight...
Savage is a magic-enhanced monster wearing heavy armor though and it's not like Dooku's got stellar lightning or anything. 😬
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So he's gonna what, leak intel or something?Dooku states that Savage's power is a threat to him, nothing else, and their last engagement was hardly a stomp in the Count's favour.
Yeah, like I said, that is a vague comment that doesn't necessarily mean Savage vs Dooku is a great fight. Let's all move on.
Originally posted by Sinious
Then list the experiences that allowed him to learn how to properly defend against lightning, and master it enough to fully teach another. One of those reasons was irrelevant since its a deleted scene that wasn't even properly animated, I don't recall any useful experiences Maul has so like I said, enlighten me.
Are you implying that Maul studied under the most powerful Sith Lord in history for nearly twenty years and lacks fairly basic knowledge?
The fact that the scene was even in the woodworks suggests that at the very least the directors thought that Savage had grown enough under Maul to defend against FL.
Originally posted by NephthysPretty much my stand on this.
Maul didn't block whats her names lightning. Also he can't perform lightning, so he actually does lack some fairly basic knowledge.Not that I think he can't block it.
My point was that sometimes looking at just feats can lead to ridiculous conclusions, and looking at just feats one can say that Maul doesn't know how to properly defend against lightning, just as he doesn't know how to cast one himself.
Also, new guy, they decided to have them defend against lightning, and then they decided to delete the scene without even animating it properly. It tells me that I shouldn't take anything in that scene seriously tbh.