Originally posted by Sinious
I have a different stand on that fight. I strongly believe Sidious was in a disadvantage due to environment. Sidious, just like Yoda moves around a lot in fights, and Yoda usually has to make up for his lack of height. Sidious wasn't able to move around like Yoda and Yoda didn't have to make up for his height. In fact, a short saber imo is a more practical weapon in that situation as well.Overall, Sidious has more consistent saber feats and has the ability to use all forms in various situations, where Yoda is stuck with one exhausting form.
Agreed.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
1. Sidious chose to go up on that pod.
2. How is that favourable to Yoda?
3. Yoda uses solely Ataru because of his bodily limitations, not because he's not skilled enough in Djem So for example.
1. Yeah, Sidious' actions in that fight doesn't really help us understand what he was trying to do. He says he's waited a very long time for that moment and then tries to run after getting TK'ed. He also says Vader will become more powerful than him and sounded quite happy about that. What was he thinking? Him choosing to go up on that pod is hardly the only illogical thing he has done in that scene. It doesn't prove that he didn't end up in a disadvantageous position.
2. The center of the pod was surrounded by a higher ground that allowed Yoda to be on the same height with Sidious while being able to jump around easily, and since he is a small guy, the area they fight in wasn't an obstacle for his acrobatics where it was for Sidious. Also, Sidious had to stand in the exact same spot unlike Yoda, and had to fight this little dude with a shorter saber in that narrow space.
3. I never denied that. This doesn't change the fact that Sidious is the generic, well rounded, and perfect duelist, where Yoda is a specialist.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanProof Yoda > amped Windu in sabers? Also, I'm not sure if Sidious wanted to kill Windu himself tbh.
Also Sidious could only stalemate an amped Windu, who is canonically below Yoda's skill.
Originally posted by Syndicate
I can't honestly tell you where I'd place Vos. His direct feat of beating Dooku would have me place him above him but I find that idea repulsive. I need to read the book myself to see the circumstances which led up to his victory.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Well Sidious WANTED Vader to become more powerful then him. He was always looking for somebody to replace him after Vader became less and seemed unable to grow past is limitations.
What Sidious wanted was someone who would be extremely powerful who he could make his puppet. Just becuase your powerful doesn't mean your smart, and Anakin was a powerful guy, but stupid when compared to Sidious. Sidious was going to help Anakin/Vader reach his full potential while on the way, making sure Vader knows no other way but him, and follows him till the end, and would never betray him.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
1. Sidious chose to go up on that pod.
2. How is that favourable to Yoda?
3. Yoda uses solely Ataru because of his bodily limitations, not because he's not skilled enough in Djem So for example.
Most likely to gain the force advantage.
Yoda primarily uses Ataru, he has strong usage of other forms. For example in the novel Yoda put up a very strong defense no doubt coming from Soresu, and he did train Dooku who is arguably the best Makashi master in the mythos, so he must have a very strong understanding/usage of the form as well.
Originally posted by Darth Demenos
can someone give a quote that said yoda disarmed sidious please?
YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.
http://genius.com/George-lucas-yoda-and-palpatine-obi-wan-and-anakin-skywalker-duel-scene-annotated
Originally posted by Sinious
3. I never denied that. This doesn't change the fact that Sidious is the generic, well rounded, and perfect duelist, where Yoda is a specialist.
That doesn't mean anything, at all really. There are several top tier duelist who only mastered few forms, whereas there are others who mastered several or all and yet they are worse.
Just an example: Dooku mastered 1 single form, Kenobi mastered 2 forms, Galen Marek mastered 3 forms. Yet Dooku is better than Kenobi and Kenobi is better than Galen.
Btw Yoda mastered all 7 forms, him being a "salve" to Ataru and Sidious being able to switch between from has nothing to do with skill.
Proof Yoda > amped Windu in sabers? Also, I'm not sure if Sidious wanted to kill Windu himself tbh.
Lightsaber accolades as far as I know are always refered to the general skill level, not how they apply it in combat. Meaning it doesn't involve force augmentation. That is why Kenobi is and 8, yet Sidious is "only" a 9.
Yoda is more skilled than Windu. Amped Windu was still "only" on Sidious' level in terms of force augmentation, and so was Yoda.
As far as we can decipher Yoda = Sidious = Amped Windu as far as force augmentation is conserned. And we know Yoda is more skilled than Windu. Hence Yoda > Sidious.
Originally posted by Sinious
I have a different stand on that fight. I strongly believe Sidious was in a disadvantage due to environment. Sidious, just like Yoda moves around a lot in fights, and Yoda usually has to make up for his lack of height. Sidious wasn't able to move around like Yoda and Yoda didn't have to make up for his height. In fact, a short saber imo is a more practical weapon in that situation as well.
i agree
Originally posted by Syndicate
And? We're not talking about canon only here we're talking about Legends? I would have thought that'd been obvious...
To take that over other sources though is what I'm getting at. I'm not saying don't use legends, I just didn't think using TFU as something to decide Palptines motives was a good idea.