Originally posted by cs_zoltanAgain, that doesn't change the fact that in an all out situation against different kinds of foes in different numbers, Sidious will have the chance to switch to any form he wants and fully apply it in battle. Just because Yoda once disarmed him in an extremely close fight on a disadvantageous area for Sidious, it doesn't mean Yoda is better We have more reasons to wank Sidious' saber skills than Yoda's.
That doesn't mean anything, at all really. There are several top tier duelist who only mastered few forms, whereas there are others who mastered several or all and yet they are worse.Just an example: Dooku mastered 1 single form, Kenobi mastered 2 forms, Galen Marek mastered 3 forms. Yet Dooku is better than Kenobi and Kenobi is better than Galen.
Btw Yoda mastered all 7 forms, him being a "salve" to Ataru and Sidious being able to switch between from has nothing to do with skill.
Lightsaber accolades as far as I know are always refered to the general skill level, not how they apply it in combat. Meaning it doesn't involve force augmentation. That is why Kenobi is and 8, yet Sidious is "only" a 9.LOL that doesn't mean shit. We don't know where amped Windu should be placed as he only fought Sidious (don't forget the part where Sidious trashed his fellow council members). But you skipped the part where I mentioned Sidious might have had alternative motivations.Yoda is more skilled than Windu. Amped Windu was still "only" on Sidious' level in terms of force augmentation, and so was Yoda.
As far as we can decipher Yoda = Sidious = Amped Windu as far as force augmentation is conserned. And we know Yoda is more skilled than Windu. Hence Yoda > Sidious.
Originally posted by Sinious
Again, that doesn't change the fact that in an all out situation against different kinds of foes in different numbers, Sidious will have the chance to switch to any form he wants and fully apply it in battle. Just because Yoda once disarmed him in an extremely close fight on a disadvantageous area for Sidious, it doesn't mean Yoda is better We have more reasons to wank Sidious' saber skills than Yoda's.
Maybe you have more reason to wank Sidious, but those of us who look at it objectively don't.
You still don't get it, that Yoda couldn't freely switch between forms because of skill, but because of his size.
Master Yoda's Ataro is also an answer to weakness: the limitations of reach and mobility imposed by his stature and his age.
—Revenge of the Sith
Put Yoda's skill in a 63 year old human's body (like Sidious is) and he'd humiliate him even more.
Sidious haven't done jack shit that's beyond Yoda, so idk where you get this fan fiction that he is better.
LOL that doesn't mean shit. We don't know where amped Windu should be placed as he only fought Sidious (don't forget the part where Sidious trashed his fellow council members). But you skipped the part where I mentioned Sidious might have had alternative motivations. [/B]
I skipped it, because you have no evidence for that, as nobody does. Since it was left ambiguous for a reason.
Anyhow, even though Windu was amped, that didn't effect his skill, only his force augmentation. And in that regard he was only equal to Sidious.
Originally posted by Syndicate
I believe it's the former.
Well to make my position more clear. Sidious isn't someone to just let someone surpass him without a motive. His motive for Vader was to manipulate him and either keep him as a partner like Plagueis planned for him, or the more likely, he would manipulate him and take control of Vader so he could rule for a thousand years with such a powerful being at his command to take out any enemy he may have.