Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

Originally posted by queeq
Not only do you not remember ANH very well, neither do you listen very well. There is no problem with ANH's opening. However, R1, like the PT changed the OT. And that bothers me.

No, no, there is. You have a problem with Leia wanting to contact Obi Wan. It is right there in your posts. I have quoted it and everything. You don't like it that Leia wants Obi Wan's help. And you've erroneously tried to pin it on Rogue One and used strawman arguments to try and support your point but ended up, instead, making fun of and complaining about ANH. That's your fault that you talked yourself into that corner. It is not Rogue One's fault.

I dislike Rogue One more than any of the Star Wars films except for TFA. So it is not my fault that you've talked yourself into that corner.

Originally posted by queeq
The ANH plot was simple: Leia races home, custodian of the plans trying to save her people. What do we know: she somehow got the plans, got intercepted by the Empire near the planet that she happens to know OB1 should live on. So what does she do, while Empire is shooting up te Tantive IV: she puts the DS plans in R2 and records her 'only hope' message.

You got something wrong. Leia was being pursued by Darth Vader. And from the dialogue from 3PO, it is obvious that Leia has had a very hard time trying to escape Vader:

3PO to R2D2: "There'll be no escape for the Princess this time."

Also, Vader later says, "Commander, tear this ship apart until you've found those plans and bring me the Ambassador. I want her alive!"

So what is your complaint about R1 again? You're mad because Leia went to Tatooine for Obi Wan's help? lol

But let's go straight to her whole messge that Luke and Obi Wan were finally able to see:

General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person, but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed. I have placed information vital to the survival of the Rebellion into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to retrieve it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

So....does this or does this not summarize exactly what happened at the end of Rogue One? Because it seems to. And she literally says, "This is our most desperate hour." And...it is a request from her father to contact Obi Wan.

So, again, what I said is correct. Your twisted summary, which doesn't match up with what Leia literally says, is not correct. You don't like the plot to ANH. You hate the entire opening plot points to ANH. But you have those rose colored glasses on again and you want to blame another "Star Wars Prequel" for your hate. But in your crusade against all of the prequels, you, yet again, actually pointed your hate towards the OT. You do this a lot.

Originally posted by queeq
How she got over Tatooine, where exactly she got the plans or how Vader found her, we have no idea, it doesn't matter. We know all we need to know: Leia is one of the good guys trying to save her people from the evil Empire including Darth Vader. Fine, let's sit back and enjoy.

We know exactly how she got to Tatooine: she went there for Obi Wan's help just as her father instructed her to. It was in ANH...right there...in her very words. And it was in Rogue One actually acted out by the people she referenced. And, guess what? We know how she got the plans. Vader knows, too. He said it in ANH. He said he knows the rebels intercepted a transmission. Wait, did you forget? I didn't. Here are Vader's words from ANH:

Where are those transmissions you intercepted? What have you done with those plans?

And guess what happened before then?

Oh, right, an imperial officer told Vader that they could not find the plans on the ship's computer.

The Death Star plans are not in the main computer.

Well, would you look at that? You, yet again, "forgot" details from the OT to fit your anti-Prequel hate agenda. I still love you, though.

Originally posted by queeq
Now, almost 40 years later, R1 comes along. They invent a back story to ANH's opening we didn't need to know. And suddenly Leia's tactics after leaving the newly invented battle of Scarif (that didn't exist when ANH was made) appear rather dodgy.

Oh really? A back story we didn't need to know? You're wrong. It was in ANH's opening crawl. I literally quoted it back to you in my post you just quoted. Did you really just forget it? It says right there that they just got "their victory against the" Empire. It literally says they "managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR."

Originally posted by queeq
Compare it to OB1, when he said in ANH that for instance Uncle Owen tried to stop Anakin from going with OB1 on a 'damn fool idealistic crusade', that was fine at the time. Anakin and Owen were obviously brothers and older brother Owen tried to stop Anakin from going away. Fine... then the PT comes along and makes ANH OB1 look like lying stupid idiot. Same effect here.

So wait a minute...haha

You want to complain yet again about the Prequel Trilogy?

Let's talk facts for you a bit...Uncle Owen, Owen Lars, is literally the step brother of Anakin Skywalker. They WERE brothers: step brothers. Owen's father married Anakin's mother.

And the line you're talking about? You remember it wrong! haha

Again, remember how I said I effed up 2 facts because I remembered them incorrect? But you mess up thousands of them when complaining about the PT?

Here is the actual quote from Obi Wan Kenobi that you're referencing:

I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damned-fool idealistic crusade like your father did.

So what is Obi Wan Kenobi saying? That Anakin followed Obi Wan Kenobi into the clone wars which Obi Wan Kenobi calls, "damned-fool idealistic crusade." So did he? Yeah, Anaking sure did! And Obi Wan, against the orders of the Jedi Council, trained Anakin.

So what is your complaint about, again? Because no where in that quote does it say that Owen tried to prevent Anakin from fighting in the clone wars.

Originally posted by queeq
Now get your facts and my preference for SW movies straight.

Seems like I did a pretty damn good job doing just that. 🙂 You just have to admit you're blinded by your fears of admitting that any of the prequels were not as bad you wish them to be. And what do we know about your fear? Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffer no my, my friend. Come back from the dark side. The Prequels aren't as bad as you believe them to be. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon

Seems like I did a pretty damn good job doing just that. 🙂 You just have to admit you're blinded by your fears of admitting that any of the prequels were not as bad you wish them to be. And what do we know about your fear? Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffer no my, my friend. Come back from the dark side. The Prequels aren't as bad as you believe them to be. 🙂

As a Prequelist myself I'd say just let it go. Some people will always hate those films just as some people hate TFA. It's much more so with the Prequels but to each their own.

Although I've noticed ROTS generally ranks pretty high when people rate their fav SW films, and it also has a 79% on RT, which means like 8/10 critics liked it. So it's not all bad.

But Time to move on from that. And Fact is they are and always will be an integral part of the Star Wars Saga. End of.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

But Time to move on from that. And Fact is they are and always will be an integral part of the Star Wars Saga. End of.

👆

Originally posted by dadudemon
So, again, what I said is correct. Your twisted summary, which doesn't match up with what Leia literally says, is not correct. You don't like the plot to ANH.

Never mind then. I you don't listen or believe me that I haven's got any problems with ANH, forget it. You don't twist my words, you ignore them completely. So a debate is therefore is kinda useless.

Enjoy R1.

Originally posted by queeq
Never mind then. I you don't listen or believe me that I haven's got any problems with ANH, forget it. You don't twist my words, you ignore them completely. So a debate is therefore is kinda useless.

Enjoy R1.

I did not twist your words at all. And multiple times, you just plain got facts wrong about ANH to support your point. The bottom line is, you hated plot points from R1 but they were actually plot points from ANH. So instead of saying, "oh, right...my bad" you make things worse. When I screwed up my two facts, I admitted fault both times. I'm not being a hypocrite.

I will say this, I finally know the reason why you hate any and all prequels (and always will): it is because you wrote your own prequel stories (imagined them) and you hate GL and Chris Weitz/Tony Gilroy (writers for R1) because they wrote stories that preceded the OT. That's okay. That's your opinion because you feel any prequels ruins the magic for the OT. But at least we got to the bottom of it and I understand that your criticisms, which just never seem legit because the OT is as bad or worse with almost every single critique you present, don't jive with me.

The difference between you and me is I viewed the PT and now R1 with no expectations of story other than the obvious that the OT already told us. I had no expectations on anything, really. And since Star Wars is my kind of stuff...the PT was bound to be loved by me.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
As a Prequelist myself I'd say just let it go. Some people will always hate those films just as some people hate TFA. It's much more so with the Prequels but to each their own.

Although I've noticed ROTS generally ranks pretty high when people rate their fav SW films, and it also has a 79% on RT, which means like 8/10 critics liked it. So it's not all bad.

But Time to move on from that. And Fact is they are and always will be an integral part of the Star Wars Saga. End of.

Thanks. Queeq is just one of the ones who actually cares enough to explain their PT hate. So it is easier to talk to Queeq.

I just got back from seeing this. Maybe it's because I didn't set up any real expectations (to be honest, I hardly even bothered watching any of the many, many trailers that came out), but I found it quite entertaining. Not the best Star Wars film, but it kept me interested right until the end.

so.. is Jar Jar Snoke?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
so.. is Jar Jar Snoke?

Yeah. Was part of the sale contract to Disney, so they had no choice. Lucas's final Revenge on the haters.

While I wouldn't call it great now like I may have when the hype for it was real, ROTS remains pretty entertaining when you take out stuff like the contrived love scenes and Hayden's bad acting, and has enough memorable scenes to get why it still has a spot on people's favorite SW lists.

True. It's the first ten minutes, despite the tonal unevenness of the scenes (from serious decapitation to comedic slapstick with droids), that definitely runs like a charm.

The drama appears to be more sincere in ROTS and most of the movie makes sense. (TPM being kind of a drag with taxation stuff and talk about suffering we never see). The Anakin/OB1 fight was way too long and started to bother on ridiculous. But hey, ROTJ had Ewoks so... to me that evens the two out.

Doesn't look good for Carrie Fisher.

Yeah... T-T We don't know how long she has, though she was on life support oxygen, last heard.

It'll be painful too to have to see a CG of the older Leia in episode 8 if Fisher's already gone by then.

Now I hear she's out of emergency and is stabilized. Good, good. That's a relief

👆

And now that emergency is over, no I don't think they would have CG'd her into Episode 9 Lol.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah. Was part of the sale contract to Disney, so they had no choice. Lucas's final Revenge on the haters.

yup..

Regarding the novelization

YouTube video

Hmmm.. well, okay.

Just saw it on IMAX. Space battles awesome. Highly recommend it if you didn't watch it on IMAX the first time.

I did, but unfortunately in 3D. Trying to catch it in a Dolby Cinema theater in 2D.