Originally posted by queeq
Err... no. Kenobi got the tractor beam disabled so the MF could escape. It didn't have anything to do with the attack. In fact, the Empire LET THEM GO... Tarkin and Vader discuss it, Leia realises it. Have you seen ANH at all???
Yeah, but my fuzzy memory does not compare to how much you've forgotten, at all. Not even close. The number of discussions we've had about Star Wars over the years has demonstrated that you pretty much remember nothing of the PT and OT besides the main things. I've made two mistakes and remembering details and you've made thousands. Should I be concerned?
Originally posted by queeq
And how can something in ANH be a problem? The movie was there first!!!! If you make a prequel, it kinda makes sense to not ruin the earlier made movie.
That's your fault for thinking it is a problem, not mine. You're the one that doesn't like the opening of ANH, for some reason. Keep in mind that you're complaining about the plot in ANH but are so hellbent on hating Rogue One that you've failed to realize that you're actually criticizing the plot in ANH, not Rogue One. 🙂 In your very next paragraph, you complain again about one of the major plot points in ANH about wanting to find Kenobes. That's a plot point from ANH, dewd.
Originally posted by queeq
But still the question stands: why go to Kenobi at all in the R1 scenario? This not an ANH problem. This plot line of Leia getting the plans in the Scarif battle is an invention almost 40 years after ANH was made.
This is incorrect. This was a plot point from ANH, not Rogue One. Finding Kenobi and him being the only hope to save the Rebel Alliance is a ANH plot point.
Originally posted by queeq
So why is Kenobi suddenly the key to finding a weakness in the DS plans? I mean, it would take a technician or engineer to find it, not a Jedi. Plus no one knows if he's still alive.
This is a straw man. At no point did anyone state or imply that Kenobi is the key to finding the weakness in the DS plans in ANH or Rogue One.
Originally posted by queeq
Kenobi in ANH serves the purpose of a last resort for Leia, to get the plans to safety. Nothing more. And story wise that of mentor that teaches Luke the basics of the Force. After getting the tractor beam disabled, Kenobi serves no more purpose. That why they let hem die.
That's incorrect. Kenobi was the last hope for the Rebellion, period. It wasn't just the Death Star plans, it was to save the entire effort of the Rebel Alliance. They were on their last leg.
Originally posted by queeq
Leia doesn't seem to need a last resort in R1, seems to me she has plenty of options.
As I've stated 3 times now, this being the 4th, she had 2: try to contact Kenobi and get captured by Vader or just get captured by Vader.
Edit - the opening crawl to ANH summarizes Rogue One, by the way...and it implies that Vader has been chasing her for quite some time:
"It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.
During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power
to destroy an entire planet.
Pursued by the Empire's
sinister agents, Princess
Leia races home aboard her
starship, custodian of the
stolen plans that can save her
people and restore
freedom to the galaxy..."
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
some folks consider an aesthetically pleasing fan-service session as an acceptable substitute for compelling storylines and character development. if it's flashy and pretty, has some fast-moving action scenes, and there's no glaring plot holes, they're content.
Disagree there, felt the story was both compelling and had decent character development, seems one of the biggest complaints from people is that it had too much development in the first hour or so.
Originally posted by Robtard
Disagree there, felt the story was both compelling and had decent character development, seems one of the biggest complaints from people is that it had too much development in the first hour or so.
Originally posted by Bashar TegI completely agree. Just evcause it has the Star Wars brand on it with decent battles that's enough to make up for poor character development. I am completely objective but people like Darth Thor and Robtard are fanboys. The quality doesn't really matter and they will be happy with anything half decent as long as it's in a brand like have previously enjoyed. Very hollow fans and easy to please. There were decent things in this film but the characters especially the heroes were awful in terms of character development. The time they spend building was hollow and didn't make me care at all save a few moments. you seem to be an honest person but people such as Robtard and Darth Thor aren't.
some folks consider an aesthetically pleasing fan-service session as an acceptable substitute for compelling storylines and character development. if it's flashy and pretty, has some fast-moving action scenes, and there's no glaring plot holes, they're content.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
to each their own. i thought the acting was so inorganic that the only death that moved me was that imperial droid. but clearly my opinion is unpopular this time around. doesn't change how i feel about it though: 👇
Of course. Plenty of people seem to not have enjoyed it.
Originally posted by RobtardJust pointing out how easy you are to please. Stale characters are fine as long as there is a decent budget with cgi space battles in there. You and Darth Thors utter fan worship of this film with the obvious flaws of the film tells me all there is to know about you.
Qaunchi once again absolutely obsessed with what I like and don't like in films. That's complete and total domination of that head of his. :0
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Originally posted by Bashar TegI agree completely. The droid was the only one which seemed well done for the good guys. Bashar and I see eye to eye but the easily pleased seem to love this as the film of the decade.
to each their own. i thought the acting/writing was so stiff and inorganic that the only death that moved me was that imperial droid. but clearly my opinion is unpopular this time around. doesn't change how i feel about it though: 👇
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just pointing out how easy you are to please. Stale characters are fine as long as there is a decent budget with cgi space battles in there. You and Darth Thors utter fan worship of this film with the obvious flaws of the film tells me all there is to know about you.🙂
-Thought ID:Resurgence was good enough and wants another film
-Insults people for enjoying Rogue One
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Originally posted by Robtard
Of course. Plenty of people seem to not have enjoyed it.
i really wanted to enjoy it. the worst was how it teased me with original artsy cinematography, and wasn't afraid to slow down and let the story breath, like in the classic trilogy. the trouble is that they seemed to forget to use those slow moments to get us to care about these characters. instead they just used it to throw in more needless plot-trivia. what's the point of an 'everybody dies at the end' gritty war flick if i don't feel any compassion for these characters as they're wiped out? waste of time imho. pretty as **** tho. if it was a collection of video game cut scenes i would be counting the days till it's release.
Originally posted by RobtardI want more Star Wars films and never once claimed resurgence was even decent. It was flat, plain, and generic but I thoroughly enjoy Sci Fi and want more films not less.
-Thought ID:Resurgence was good enough and wants another film
-Insults people for enjoying Rogue One:0
I do not insult then for enjoying rogue one because there were parts that were done well. My problem is people who act like its a great film. It isn't. You fell victim for liking it more due to it being a Star Wars film. It's obvious.
Character development and emotional moments are huge for me. This doesn't seem the case for you. You also loved the extremely shallow and superficial Deadpool so this isn't surprising. You love these kinds of films.
If you didn't enjoy it you didn't enjoy it.
I was pumped as much as anyone (if not more so) for TFA, but I just had too many issues with that film. In fact I felt that was just banking on nostalgia and flashiness (and not even amazingly flashy at that).
That's why film is for the most part subjective. But some bandwagoning trolls will take advantage and accuse you of not being a true fan.
I personally feel that the characters were decently developed. But they just weren't charming and lovable, because they weren't supposed to be. For me Cassian killing that guy who was panicking at the beginning was just f***inh brilliant.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I was pumped as much as anyone (if not more so) for TFA, but I just had too many issues with that film. In fact I felt that was just banking on nostalgia and flashiness (and not even amazingly flashy at that).
the only fans i consider idiots for their opinion are the ones who loved attack of the clones. i just don't need people like that in my life. other than that, again, to each their own.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIt wasn't crap by any stretch but you believe this is just great. Your definition of great is far different than it is from mine. Characters matter. The story matters.
If you didn't enjoy it you didn't enjoy it.I was pumped as much as anyone (if not more so) for TFA, but I just had too many issues with that film. In fact I felt that was just banking on nostalgia and flashiness (and not even amazingly flashy at that).
That's why film is for the most part subjective. But some bandwagoning trolls will take advantage and accuse you of not being a true fan.
I personally feel that the characters were decently developed. But they just weren't charming and lovable, because they weren't supposed to be. For me Cassian killing that guy who was panicking at the beginning was just f***inh brilliant.
You it seems love anything space battle centric with little to no character development. That's what you believe is great. You're supposed to care about the characters no one said anything about them being saints. There are plenty of flat out despicable characters in other films the audience growls to care about. You feel this isn't necessary and believe Star Wars is just about the space battles alone. Give me TFA over this any day of the week. You can't stand those characters and you love this film. I'll remember this.
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