North Korea Sentences American Otto Warmbier to 15 Years in Prison

Originally posted by Surtur
So my question now is, what about illegal immigration? Surely Affinity is in favor of deporting all illegals from our country. After all, people need to respect the laws.

Adam, I assume you also agree, if any illegal is caught...even if they have committed no violent crimes and have family here, we should not feel sorry for the person who gets deported, right? They chose to come, knew the consequences, and committed a crime etc.

What about it? I do not support illegal immigration.

I also recognize that deporting 11-million people is not logistically possible, and that separating families of mixed immigration status is equally unviable.

The problem, like the immigration system, is complex, and requires a complex solution. That is why we need comprehensive immigration reform.

We are a nation of laws, and a nation of immigrants, and we need to find a way to balance those things.

That being said, one assumes the risk of deportation by remaining in a country unlawfully, so I do not feel much empathy for his situation.

However, I would make exception for someone who was brought here as a minor, because he did not have a choice in immigrating here, and does not know his country of origin as home. He also did not break the law, the adult who brought him here did. His illegal status is not his doing, and our system makes it exceedingly difficult for him to correct this, so he should not be punished for the crime of someone else.

It's good that you don't support it Adam, but unfortunately a lot of liberals do, so when you see liberal sites going "shoulda followed the rules" well, that's an all or nothing thing. It doesn't just apply to NK.

I have flat out seen articles from Salon in support of illegal immigrants and their rights to stay here, etc.

Originally posted by Surtur
Now it's even creepier knowing this banner wanting person lives here. I need to know which church is okay with potentially dropping 200k for a banner. Which since he did get detained they won't even get.

So if they hold to their word they are basically out 200k and have nothing to show for it. I almost feel bad for the church, whichever one it is.

Surt, joking about this, despite trying to white knight now to try and shame liberals. You just love being a hypocrite don't you

Originally posted by Lestov16
Surt, joking about this, despite trying to white knight now to try and shame liberals. You just love being a hypocrite don't you

Ah yes, that is a nice false equivalency you have going there for you.

Wow, Surt. Youre complaining about people on the internet saying Scalise deserved it, but don't care about the various people saying the Muslims attacked in Finsbury deserved it, including those who still say Islam is an inherently "horrid" religion despite Muslims being the victims and even for giving the attacker. You truly are deplorable.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Wow, Surt. Youre complaining about people on the internet saying Scalise deserved it, but don't care about the various people saying the Muslims attacked in Finsbury deserved it, including those who still say Islam is an inherently "horrid" religion despite Muslims being the victims and even for giving the attacker. You truly are deplorable.

Okay dude, after this reply it's official: anyone who praises you is an imbecile.

You just spewed utter nonsense. Once again: you feel like if someone calls out one thing they have also call out every other injustice in the world?

In your sad, pathetic quest to try to find anything you can deem hypocritical you just make yourself look bad.

That is your tactic. You complained about Scalise? What about the Muslims? Oh, you're talking about muslim terror? What about white supremacists?!?! Yet I bet you'd whine and whine if the first reply in the recent non muslim terror attack was "what about the muslim terorists?!" right?

You play childish games.

You don't "talk about Muslim terror". You call Islam in it's entirety a "horrid" religion.

And YES YOU PHUCKING DUMBASS if you're going to stand up against one injustice then you have to stand against all injustice. Otherwise you're picking and choosing aka hypocrisy

That being stated, had this not been turned into a failed liberal smearfest, I like the fear of God Trump seems to have put into Kim as a result of this. Kim seems to be scared shitless of Trump right now, at least if the current news reports are accurate. I'm pretty sure that hatred for North Korea is bipartisan, so trying to smear liberals seems silly and disingenuous.

Hard to see Trump he can do here as sanctions don't seem to work against NK. We don't need another war...

Originally posted by Lestov16
Wow, Surt. Youre complaining about people on the internet saying Scalise deserved it, but don't care about the various people saying the Muslims attacked in Finsbury deserved it, including those who still say Islam is an inherently "horrid" religion despite Muslims being the victims and even for giving the attacker. You truly are deplorable.

Scalise is a white conservative American man. Muslims attacked are likely not white, conservative nor American. Hmmm...

Originally posted by Lestov16
You don't "talk about Muslim terror". You call Islam in it's entirety a "horrid" religion.

And YES YOU PHUCKING DUMBASS if you're going to stand up against one injustice then you have to stand against all injustice. Otherwise you're picking and choosing aka hypocrisy

Lol, you're such a hypocritical piece of shit at this point. Frothing at the mouth.

I don't see you standing up against all injustice. I see you WHINING like a little b*tch when people talk about Islam but not the shit YOU want to discuss.

You have done this before and are doing it again. It is the dumbest shit imaginable, if people haven't talked about what *you* think they should be, you throw a fit like a b*tch. Just like before when you had to bring up Christianity in a topic about an Islamic terror attack.

You aren't smart nor do you even practice what you preach.

Because no, one does not have to stand up for EVERY SINGLE INJUSTICE. This You just said if you stand up for one injustice you must stand up for every single injustice. Will the usual suspects still pat him on the back for it? Cuz again: that is the stupidest shit I've ever heard, so please someone say we need to imbue ourselves with this dipsticks wisdom.

Think about that for a second. If you stand up for one injustice you must stand up for all: nobody on this board does that lol. Nobody here stands up for all injustice in the world.

Originally posted by Robtard
Scalise is a white conservative American man. Muslims attacked are likely not white, conservative nor American. Hmmm...

Rob, shut up. You haven't stood up for all injustice, so cease.

Can we just say that this is sad?

I don't really know why we would allow Americans to enter North Korea and hopefully we block that.

Oh and Salon deleted their article, wonder why?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What about it? I do not support illegal immigration.

I also recognize that deporting 11-million people is not logistically possible, and that separating families of mixed immigration status is equally unviable.

The problem, like the immigration system, is complex, and requires a complex solution. That is why we need comprehensive immigration reform.

We are a nation of laws, and a nation of immigrants, and we need to find a way to balance those things.

That being said, one assumes the risk of deportation by remaining in a country unlawfully, so I do not feel much empathy for his situation.

However, I would make exception for someone who was brought here as a minor, because he did not have a choice in immigrating here, and does not know his country of origin as home. He also did not break the law, the adult who brought him here did. His illegal status is not his doing, and our system makes it exceedingly difficult for him to correct this, so he should not be punished for the crime of someone else.

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Far as I'm concerned, the real issue is how exploited undocumented immigrants are.

That's something that often gets ignored beind the rhetoric. And call me cynical, but I have a feeling neither "side" really wants to fix that.. Democrats and Republicans both seem to benefit from the exploitation of undocumented labor..

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Can we just say that this is sad?

I don't really know why we would allow Americans to enter North Korea and hopefully we block that.

The Chinese program that Otto joined has vowed to not send American's to North Korea anymore. Hopefully they expand that to just a blanket ban but it is a start.

Originally posted by cdtm
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Far as I'm concerned, the real issue is how exploited undocumented immigrants are.

That's something that often gets ignored beind the rhetoric. And call me cynical, but I have a feeling neither "side" really wants to fix that.. Democrats and Republicans both seem to benefit from the exploitation of undocumented labor..

One side wants comprehensive immigration reform and the other one does not, so . . .

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Update to my post.

The Chinese program that Otto joined has vowed to not send American's to North Korea anymore. Hopefully they expand that to just a blanket ban but it is a start.

While I don't think an American citizen should travel to NK as it's a dictatorship with nigh-hostile relations with America, I don't think the US should be banning its adult citizens from travelling, they know the risk beforehand, they have to sign wavers.

Originally posted by Robtard
While I don't think an American citizen should travel to NK as it's a dictatorship with nigh-hostile relations with America, I don't think the US should be banning its adult citizens from travelling, they know the risk beforehand, they have to sign wavers.

Serious question: after all that has happened do you think an adult who still wants to go to NK is mentally sound?

Otto Warmbier went there alive and came back a vegetable, then died. They did that to him over stealing a banner.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
One side wants comprehensive immigration reform and the other one does not, so . . .

Yes, but that side also includes the likes of h1b exploitation (That's the problem with the Democratic party. Big tent really means putting on a public face about issues, while different factions jockey for their own (often conflicting) self interests..)