@Galan I think that Cain had a FF, and War was radiating gamma energy. That's the way that I saw that particular scene. If you saw it differently, well it just goes to show that we all have our opinions on things.
2. I got the distinct impression that you implied that having a FF made Cain more durable than when it is not seen, or visible. Excuse me if I misunderstood what you were saying.
3. I wasn't low balling. If so, please quantify how much power he hit Cain with vs the amount that he hit Galactus with. Different writers gauge things differently. This happens more often than you can shake a stick at. If not I suppose that Cain was harder to hurt than characters that are likely more powerful than the source of his power.
4. I don't see anything that states that Cain has a FF, just him at his best showing, and that would be 8th Day Cain according to on panel citation. What you did was add the FF. What I asked is for proof that when he is drawn to have the FF is he in fact more durable than when he is drawn not to have one. I mean it's not as if it needs to be stated that Superman can fly and has HV in every comic that he is in to know that this is a couple of his powers. You see why I asked the question? As far as I'm concerned, Cain is as durable with or without it, unless it was stated somewhere on panel otherwise.
Originally posted by StoicThor specifically likened the Godblast he struck Cain with, to the Godblast he used against Galactus and the Celestial:
3. I wasn't low balling. If so, please quantify how much power he hit Cain with vs the amount that he hit Galactus with. Different writers gauge things differently. This happens more often than you can shake a stick at. If not I suppose that Cain was harder to hurt than characters that are likely more powerful than the source of his power.
So yeah, all of the aforementioned blasts were intended, by the writers, to be of equal power.
And again: the GB didn't even scratch Juggernaut. It just pushed him back slightly until the structure they were fighting on crumbled beneath him:
Originally posted by StoicJuggernaut WITH a force-field IS Juggernaut at his best, though. Again, 8th Day may be the physically strongest version, but classic Juggernaut's durability with the force-field more than makes up for the difference in strength, and is FAR more valuable in this particular battle.
4. I don't see anything that states that Cain has a FF, just him at his best showing, and that would be 8th Day Cain according to on panel citation. What you did was add the FF.
I've already gone over this multiple times.
Originally posted by StoicIf you knew about Juggernaut's history, you'd know that the difference between his force-fielded and non-force-fielded self was blatantly depicted on panel.
What I asked is for proof that when he is drawn to have the FF is he in fact more durable than when he is drawn not to have one. I mean it's not as if it needs to be stated that Superman can fly and has HV in every comic that he is in to know that this is a couple of his powers. You see why I asked the question? As far as I'm concerned, Cain is as durable with or without it, unless it was stated somewhere on panel otherwise.
With the FF on, Thor couldn't do a goddamn thing to Juggernaut. Literally nothing. When Thor used Mjolnir to momentarily negate the FF and Juggy's invulnerability, however, his blows actually affected Juggernaut:
But as I keep saying: Most writers completely ignore Juggy's FF because it makes him too haxx. Quite literally unbeatable by any conventional means. That's why the majority of his showings make his invulnerability a purely physical trait. This way his helmet can be removed to facilitate psi attacks, physical attacks/blasts can actually strike his person, etc.
Again: The FF is only there when we are TOLD it's there. The other 95% of the time, he's simply not written that way.
Originally posted by Galan007
He was literally unfazed by the Godblast as well--it just pushed him back slightly. This is the same blast that can harm Galactus and Celestials.But anyway, the only thing ever shown capable of bypassing the force-field was a specific enchantment from Mjolnir. Nothing else was ever stated to have penetrated it. Fortunately, no one on the field possesses high-end magics. 🙂
Anywho, there are only a handful of comics that actually reference and/or depict Juggernaut's force-field. The consensus is that the FF simply made Juggernaut *too* uber, so most writers purposefully overlooked it over the years, and just gave him a lot of physical durability w/o the FF.
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A giant fan. Oh boy. Galan it looks like that fan may have been more powerful than the G-Blast. Then again... Those pesky writers, and how much they differ from one book to the other. Which was one of the points that I was trying to make. The BS that goes on in comics happens too often. On one hand I remain unconvinced that Cain's strength level is enough to do more than irritate WB Hulk, while I still believe that WB Hulk would be able to hurt Cain based on a few odd showings. On the other hand,the only way that Cain wins is if they sit in that adamantium ring for years and the Hulk dies of starvation, or he manages to break the walls by using Cain's head as a battering ram, and then tosses him into outer space. Either way, Cain isn't going to dominate this version of the Hulk. He's just not strong enough.
Not everyone knows but Galan's first choice for a username was Marko007, but he didn't like how Marko ended in an "oh" sound as it clashed too much with the needed "double oh". Is it triple oh? Should he just use one 0 and play off the O? Oh boy this is tricky now!
These are the types of things that kept everyone from knowing he was a Juggy fan for years.
Originally posted by StoicPlease tell me you're not trying to hold a single ridiculous showing from one of Juggernaut's first ever appearances during the 60s in higher regard than everything else he's done since? I show you classic Juggernaut tanking full-force strikes from Thor/Mjolnir, and even the friggin Godblast itself in far more recent comics... But somehow a PIS showing from very early in his career weighs heaviest in your mind? Say it ain't so... 😛
A giant fan. Oh boy. Galan it looks like that fan may have been more powerful than the G-Blast. Then again... Those pesky writers, and how much they differ from one book to the other. Which was one of the points that I was trying to make. The BS that goes on in comics happens too often. On one hand I remain unconvinced that Cain's strength level is enough to do more than irritate WB Hulk, while I still believe that WB Hulk would be able to hurt Cain based on a few odd showings. On the other hand,the only way that Cain wins is if they sit in that adamantium ring for years and the Hulk dies of starvation, or he manages to break the walls by using Cain's head as a battering ram, and then tosses him into outer space. Either way, Cain isn't going to dominate this version of the Hulk. He's just not strong enough.
Anyway, in the comic prior to the one DS posted scans from, Juggernaut tanked everything the X-Men dished out without even a scuff:
So evidently Stan Lee thought a large fan>>>>the X-Men themselves back then..? Lol. Again, PIS. 👆
Mind you, this crap occurred during an era where the most powerful item in the X-Men's arsenal was a "swiftly rolling" 10 ton steel barrel:
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Suffice to say: it's pretty obvious that the X-Men and their rogues became far more refined in the years that followed(ergo Juggy's showings against Thor and the like.) 🙂
And as I have said repeatedly: I agree that WBH is stronger--but strength isn't why I think Juggernaut ultimately wins.
Originally posted by One Big Mob"JuggySucker69-420" was taken. 🙁
Not everyone knows but Galan's first choice for a username was Marko007, but he didn't like how Marko ended in an "oh" sound as it clashed too much with the needed "double oh". Is it triple oh? Should he just use one 0 and play off the O? Oh boy this is tricky now!These are the types of things that kept everyone from knowing he was a Juggy fan for years.
