Doomsday Hulk Juggernaut Red Hulk: Fight to death

^ Very soon, me thinks. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
😂 Just realized that.

...You do remind me of abhi, though. 👆

😂

Juggernaut even with FF was written all over the place, iirc in his earlier days Juggernaut was hinted at (if not outright stated) him always having his forcefield up and that tied into his durability. Him being "unstoppable" was initially a separate power altogether, but some writers believe it's all tied together, some believe his forcefield acts independent from his innate durability while some wrote his unstoppable enchantment as the reason he could no-sell attacks.

Juggernaut almost no-selling the godblast is a career high for him, but the ff has had low showings just like everything else does in comics. On average it protects him from mid-level attacks but it isn't stopping WBH indefinitely.

The theme of this thread is that all characters are at their best. Ergo my opinion that the others aren't breaching it.

At his peak, classic Juggernaut /w/ a FF was pretty much untouchable to anything that didn't exude very potent magics(which none of these bricks possess.)

Oh, well if that's the case I see where you're coming from, but even still, it's extremely rare that Hulk runs into a forcefield he cannot break through eventually.

^ Not ruling that out as a possibility, but I think the chances are quite slim--even for WBH. /shrug

Imo, Juggy's FF could weather Hulk's melee just fine. Then it's just a matter of waiting for Hulk to expend enough energy that he becomes weaker than Juggernaut. Might take days/months(or longer), but like I said earlier: Hulk's energy reserves are far more finite than Juggernaut's... Juggy can play the long game just fine. 😛

Eh, where does it say that Juggernaut has infinite stamina to tank months of attack from a hulk at this level?

Yep. Months of WBH pounding away at Juggernaut? Not seeing it personally. He cracked Umars forcefields pre-WBH and she was supreme ruler of the Dark Dimension at the time.

I never used the word 'infinite'. 🙂

But Juggernaut's powers have often been describe as limitless or whathave you. Whether you take that literally is another matter entirely.

For the record, I don't think this battle would really take months. That was just a figure of speech.

So Galan, so that I do not misunderstand what you are saying. Just what are you saying? How long do you see this lasting, and how does it go in your opinion?

It goes long enough that Cytorrak's power lasts longer than WBH's anger/desire to stay at WBH's levels.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It goes long enough that Cytorrak's power lasts longer than WBH's anger/desire to stay at WBH's levels.

How long is that? I never saw a limit to the length of time that he could remain at that level. It had become a conscious effort for him to go world breaker after all.

Originally posted by Stoic
How long is that? I never saw a limit to the length of time that he could remain at that level. It had become a conscious effort for him to go world breaker after all.

I think you meant 'unconscious'?

But we know that it took specific steps for him to go WBH. His family dying on Sakaar. Betrayed by the Illuminati. Betrayed by Miek. Betty getting with Tyrannus. Betty being amped up to match him. An endless supply of monsters, who, if killed, will be magically brought back to life. Etc etc. Pak went to great details to show all of this.

He doesn't go WBH just because he is in a fight. Because he is 'angry'. He has to be INCREDIBLY angry. AND have the desire to let loose (remember, he is always holding back).

Remove any of those, and he does not go WBH.

No, I actually meant conscious. He learned how to do this on Sakaar, by simply willing himself to control his powers without having to become a snarling enraged brute. This is further seen while he is in the Dark Dimension. All of the other things attached were just reasons for him to justify being at that level of power, which were removed from him when Doom performed surgery on his brain. He was further justified while in the DD due to his knowledge that no innocents would come to harm, which is why he gave everyone that he deemed to be innocent a chance or amount of time to go back to Earth.

Originally posted by Stoic
No, I actually meant conscious. He learned how to do this on Sakaar, by simply willing himself to control his powers without having to become a snarling enraged brute. This is further seen while he is in the Dark Dimension. All of the other things attached were just reasons for him to justify being at that level of power, which were removed from him when Doom performed surgery on his brain. He was further justified while in the DD due to his knowledge that no innocents would come to harm, which is why he gave everyone that he deemed to be innocent a chance or amount of time to go back to Earth.

Cool, if you DO mean conscious, then he consciously won't go WBH to kill these guys, even if he is able to 👆

It wasn't about innocents. It was about them being able to come back to life no matter how many times he killed them.

If Doomsday, Rulk and Juggy aren't coming back, he won't let loose.

So then in other words, your attempt is to limit the Hulk? What you're saying is that the Hulk would tone it down in order to spare these characters that are out to kill him, even though the thread says to the death? DS, please adjust your approach, you're about to crash and burn.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It goes long enough that Cytorrak's power lasts longer than WBH's anger/desire to stay at WBH's levels.

There's obviously no way to know for sure how long the battle would last, because it has never happened before.

If there is no way to know how long that this battle would last, there is no way that you could say that Juggernaut outlasts the Hulk's desire to continue pummeling him.

Doesn't Current Juggernaut possess enough power to kill Cyttorak?

Originally posted by Stoic
So then in other words, your attempt is to limit the Hulk? What you're saying is that the Hulk would tone it down in order to spare these characters that are out to kill him, even though the thread says to the death? DS, please adjust your approach, you're about to crash and burn.

How am I limiting the Hulk, beyond actually taking his character into account?

You want to argue powerset, fine. CBR is that way (to use the hackneyed phrase).

But ignoring the Hulk's mindset, is, to me, ignoring a fundamental point about the HotM storyline, and Pak's entire run.

Flash has killed, when the chips are down. Batman, has killed. Superman, has killed. Martian Manhunter, has killed. Wolverine has killed. Thor has killed. Iron Man, Cyclops, Cap A, have killed.

Hulk does not kill - on panel, by the same guy who wrote WBH. He has incredible amounts of power, but he holds HIMSELF back.