Originally posted by JKBart
Valkorion overpowers them pretty much instantly. Exar Kun is at best as powerful+skilled overall as Darth Marr, Malgus is around that level too and Dooku is way beneath them.Yeah, they don't stand a chance. Replace Kun with Arcann, Dooku with Scourge, and they may have a shot though.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
ValkorionNonsense.
Count Dooku and Darth Malgus are nearly non-factors. Exar Kun cannot carry his Team much.
Yeh but no, he has no speed feats even approaching his enemies' and he isn't one-shotting anybody here. Darth Marr was distracted by Knights of Zakuul when Valkorion killed him. He managed to take out Arcann... sure, and got stabbed in the back for tunnel visioning. A weaker Voice got cut down easily in close-quarters by the Hero of Tython.
Malgus, Dooku and Exar Kun combined is enough, Kun tanks his lightning storm long enough for Malgus and Dooku to get in close where Valkorion has nothing on his enemies.
No scenario exists where he wins, what.. he's going to blast them all at once? Well each of them are just too powerful for that to work, Dooku is the only Arcann is arguably superior to and he lasted an impressive amount of time solo.
Originally posted by AncientPowerI hope you mean while in this fight against 3 people. Cause if you think Valkorion cannot one-shot Dooku or Malgus, I'm gonna argue against you on that tbh.
he isn't one-shotting anybody here.
Originally posted by TondemonaiI'm honestly not sure what is wrong with the thread. 😬
Quality thread there Sin 👆 I expected more from you... used to look up to your wisdom at times, now back to Neph
Originally posted by Emperordmbthese fools can't comprehend my vision 🙂
Sinious is chill tbh
Re: Re: Valkorion vs Exar Kun & Count Dooku & Deceived Malgus
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZI had to 🙂
Valkorion. 🙂
Originally posted by AncientPowerYou underwank the gap between them. Its more than a tier even with Kun who is MVP of his team. I'm not siding Valkorion until someone makes a good argument though.
Individually, Valkorion is obviously a tier above, but this isn't him against any one Sith, this is a team of three bonified powerhouses, the likes of which he's never faced. The only comparable fight is against Revan and the circumstances there are self-explanatory.Team is just too strong.
lol @ Vitiate's performance against Revan having any significance here. Vitiate has been >>>>>> any other force user he encountered as far as we know until that point in the novel. And one of the members of team Revan had lost to him quite easily in a former confrontation with Alek, the other was a mere sith lord of his own empire, and there was a random jedi helping them. He clearly felt like f'ing around which won't be the case here.
His mentality towards strike teams have changed drastically after that point as it can be seen by his performance against Braga strike team. He also became a lot more cautious in general. Not to mention Vitiate fed on Revan + his servants for the next 300 years after that and then drained Ziost. Revan being able to touch him there doesn't mean anything here as Valkorion is now more cautious, wiser, significantly more powerful, and seems to have found a way to defend against saber attacks in case someone closes the gap (No, Valkorion is not immune to sabers, but its also pretty clear that its not insta-win for his opponents when they close the gap).
Yes and against Arcann and the Hero he tunnel visioned his son and then got backstabbed, here he'll have to focus Kun or get hit hard in return. If he does focus Kun then he leaves Malgus and Dooku time to pincer him, if he continues focusing Kun he gets flanked and dies, if he moves to one shot Dooku then Malgus backstabs and Kun can counter.
He isn't winning, this team is miles above Braga's and he cannot focus one without leaving himself open; this is only made worse by the fact all three of them have varyingly better speed and reaction feats than Valkorion himself.
He can kill one of them, in Dooku, before dying and that is as good as the scenario gets for him.
Originally posted by AncientPowerYou mean after he KO'd him and engaged in a conversation with HoT? That's pretty much the same with Sidious getting killed by Vader and hardly applies to combat situation.
Yes and against Arcann and the Hero he tunnel visioned his son and then got backstabbed,
here he'll have to focus Kun or get hit hard in return. If he does focus Kun then he leaves Malgus and Dooku time to pincer him, if he continues focusing Kun he gets flanked and dies, if he moves to one shot Dooku then Malgus backstabs and Kun can counter.Like I said, I am not arguing that Valkorion wins, but remember the distance is 20 meters and that gives him some advantage.He isn't winning, this team is miles above Braga's and he cannot focus one without leaving himself open; this is only made worse by the fact all three of them have varyingly better speed and reaction feats than Valkorion himself.
He can kill one of them, in Dooku, before dying and that is as good as the scenario gets for him.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yeh but no, he has no speed feats even approaching his enemies' and he isn't one-shotting anybody here.
Name one Jedi and/or Sith whom Valkorion have not successfully responded to during a confrontation.
In-fact, Valkorion's reaction-time approaches nanosecond levels. Watch this footage:
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"Accept my power or watch her die. Choose quickly, time has not stopped." (Valkorion)
Using the Outlander as a vessel, Valkorion unleashed a blast of power so fast that nobody could react to his move.
Your argument is baseless and moot.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Darth Marr was distracted by Knights of Zakuul when Valkorion killed him.
Guess what? Pwned.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He managed to take out Arcann... sure, and got stabbed in the back for tunnel visioning.
ANALOGY: During a confrontation between Luke Skywalker and Abeloth, the Sith diverted the attention of the Jedi Master towards them and Abeloth took advantage of this momentary distraction from behind, putting the Jedi Master in a choke-hold.
Based on the aforementioned example, should we assume that Luke Skywalker suffers from tunnel vision and/or is not a good combatant?
It's not easy to back-stab Valkorion in a straightforward confrontation. Years ago, he prevented (4) powerful Jedi from getting close to him and defeated all of them.
Originally posted by AncientPower
A weaker Voice got cut down easily in close-quarters by the Hero of Tython.
However, I would like to point out that even the (weakened) Voice was fast enough to not get blitzed by Hero of Tython at point blank range and this confrontation was far from being short.
Do keep in mind that Hero of Tython have history of blitzing opponents.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Malgus, Dooku and Exar Kun combined is enough, Kun tanks his lightning storm long enough for Malgus and Dooku to get in close where Valkorion has nothing on his enemies.
Originally posted by AncientPower
No scenario exists where he wins, what.. he's going to blast them all at once? Well each of them are just too powerful for that to work, Dooku is the only Arcann is arguably superior to and he lasted an impressive amount of time solo.
Arcann appears to be stronger than both Darth Malgus and Count Dooku on individual basis and a peer of Revan in strength. This is a good read: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/arcann-respect-thread/103998/
Originally posted by AncientPower
Individually, Valkorion is obviously a tier above, but this isn't him against any one Sith, this is a team of three bonified powerhouses, the likes of which he's never faced. The only comparable fight is against Revan and the circumstances there are self-explanatory.
Valkorion is miles ahead of any individual in the Strike Team, your precious Exar Kun included.
Valkorion made millions of Sith shit their pants and busted a planet, and you think that the likes of Exar Kun, Darth Malgus and Count Dooku would intimidate him?
Originally posted by AncientPower
Team is just too strong.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes and against Arcann and the Hero he tunnel visioned his son and then got backstabbed, here he'll have to focus Kun or get hit hard in return. If he does focus Kun then he leaves Malgus and Dooku time to pincer him, if he continues focusing Kun he gets flanked and dies, if he moves to one shot Dooku then Malgus backstabs and Kun can counter.He isn't winning, this team is miles above Braga's and he cannot focus one without leaving himself open; this is only made worse by the fact all three of them have varyingly better speed and reaction feats than Valkorion himself.
He can kill one of them, in Dooku, before dying and that is as good as the scenario gets for him.
Valkorion's reaction-time approaches nanosecond levels. He can bombard the entire Strike Team with impunity. Conventional defenses would be utterly useless.
This Strike Team isn't miles ahead of the Strike Team led by Tol Braga. This Strike Team can be asserted to be relatively superior though.
More importantly, Valkorion 'easily' defeated the Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga.