Originally posted by AncientPower
It still isn't helping against Exar Kun, who has clocked reactions and speed far faster than thought by being a perfect match for Ulic Qel-Droma years before his prime.Or Count Dooku whom has moved fast enough to defend himself against Yoda who is blinding to other High Council members.
Darth Marr can be blindingly fast in combat situations; another Sith Lord (or Jedi) may find it difficult track his moves. Yet, Revan was fast enough to react to Darth Marr's moves in a combat situation. Similarly, Valkorion was fast enough to react to Revan's moves in a combat situation.
My point is that speed is a largely ambiguous benchmark. Therefore, your speed based argument is useless in this debate.
Care to tell us what speed feats Darth Lachriss had at that point? I already know the answer.
By the way you missed the point, Valkorion cannot take down Kun anywhere near as fast as he would need to before Dooku and Malgus had him in a pincer, placing him on the defensive against two masterful duelists and leaving Kun time to retaliate as well.
He cannot sustain his attack on Kun without dying, given that if he does he ends up getting stabbed. If he ceases his attack then Kun gets to retaliate in turn, I don't doubt that he'd likely kill one of Malgus or Dooku but not without leaving open his flank and dying from a blindside attack.
As far as telepathy he goes, against persons of actual note he has successfully broken the minds of Revan and Alek in a prepared ambush, he broke the Hero of Tython, Tol Braga, Kiwiiks, Warren Sedoru and the other with preparation after incapacitating them, all of the aforementioned eventually broke his will. He also has his Ziost feat but in that case he couldn't adequately effect Lana Beniko's mind, only the Sixth Line and the fodder population.
Even then, when Vitiate moved to telepathically dominate Revan, he notably left his guard down and got floored, presumably if he attempts to break somebody here, he is in for two bouts of Force lightning and a Force blast.
I have also heard talk of Valkorion going spirit mode, which I'm quite certain Sinious dismissed. Even so Exar Kun banished the very powerful spirit of Freedon Nadd easily, if Valkorion tries appearing as a spirit here then Kun logically may be able to accomplish the same.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Care to tell us what speed feats Darth Lachriss had at that point? I already know the answer.
Originally posted by AncientPower
By the way you missed the point, Valkorion cannot take down Kun anywhere near as fast as he would need to before Dooku and Malgus had him in a pincer, placing him on the defensive against two masterful duelists and leaving Kun time to retaliate as well.
Valkorion can unleash attacks on a massive scale, encompassing the entire Strike Team with them. We have evidence of him affecting even 11 opponents at a time.
Nobody would get a chance to corner Valkorion from a frontal approach.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He cannot sustain his attack on Kun without dying, given that if he does he ends up getting stabbed. If he ceases his attack then Kun gets to retaliate in turn, I don't doubt that he'd likely kill one of Malgus or Dooku but not without leaving open his flank and dying from a blindside attack.
Originally posted by AncientPower
As far as telepathy he goes, against persons of actual note he has successfully broken the minds of Revan and Alek in a prepared ambush,
Valkorion wanted them to face him [1 on 1]. And he broke them with a fraction of his power. Your assumption is baseless.
Originally posted by AncientPower
he broke the Hero of Tython, Tol Braga, Kiwiiks, Warren Sedoru and the other with preparation after incapacitating them,
We do have this:
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side’s power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi’s connection to the light side. Jedi Master Tol Braga's strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader's oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil.
Taken from SWTOR based disclosures
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The fact that Valkorion telepathically influenced the entire populace of Ziost at one point:
The Emperor escaped destruction on Yavin 4, and now his presence has been felt on the planet Ziost, once powerful throne world of the Sith Empire. You are called upon again to face this galactic menace when your allies realize that the entire planet’s inhabitants have been mind-controlled.
Taken from SWTOR based disclosures
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There should be no doubts about the effectiveness of telepathic powers of Valkorion, period.
Originally posted by AncientPower
all of the aforementioned eventually broke his will.
Originally posted by AncientPower
He also has his Ziost feat but in that case he couldn't adequately effect Lana Beniko's mind, only the Sixth Line and the fodder population.
It is difficult to telepathically influence a single strong-willed individual (e.g. It took 4 powerful Jedi to telepathically influence Cad Bane). Yet, Valkorion had sufficient strength and command of the Dark Side to telepathically influence the entire populace of a planet including many Force-users and generally strong-willed opponents. Therefore, it isn't a big deal if a few visitors managed to resist Valkorion's telepathic influence after such a significant investment.
Fodder population? You make it sound like as if it is easy to telepathically influence the entire populace of a planet. Even the likes of Abeloth do no have a comparable showing. We are talking about billions of individuals.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Even then, when Vitiate moved to telepathically dominate Revan, he notably left his guard down and got floored, presumably if he attempts to break somebody here, he is in for two bouts of Force lightning and a Force blast.
In this hypothetical confrontation, members of the Strike Team are not much aware of tactics and tricks of Valkorion. They are absolutely susceptible to element of surprise. Darth Malgus may have some idea but I doubt that even he had the power to successfully counter Valkorion's telepathic powers; he never dared to challenge Valkorion at any point.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I have also heard talk of Valkorion going spirit mode, which I'm quite certain Sinious dismissed.
Valkorion is restricted to using a mortal vessel in this hypothetical confrontation as per the rules?
Originally posted by AncientPower
Even so Exar Kun banished the very powerful spirit of Freedon Nadd easily, if Valkorion tries appearing as a spirit here then Kun logically may be able to accomplish the same.
You think that Freedon Nadd holds a candle to the power of Valkorion?
Freedon Nadd, even in spiritual form, was vulnerable to conventional offensive methods/techniques/powers as apparent from the fact that Exar Kun mortally harmed him with a blast of Force energy.
However, the Sith and Jedi collectively found it impossible to stop Valkorion on planet Ziost through conventional methods. Here:
"Something went awry with the communications platform. I had intended to commend you for your work thus far, but I have just received word that your breakthrough against Vitiate is only temporary.
This is most distressing. Vitiate may be more powerful then any of us assumed. And as he does not appear to have any manner of physical form, he cannot be restrained or destroyed by conventional means.
The order to evacuate Ziost in priority sequence have been approved. I will contact you again if anything changes."
From (Darth Marr, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor)
After the destruction of planet Ziost, Darth Marr arranged a coalition of powerful Sith Seers to find a way to compromise Valkorion's disembodied presence but it is safe to assume that no breakthrough could be achieved in this regard.
It is absolutely unclear at the moment how Valkorion can be stopped! Period.
Do keep in mind that Valkorion could also affect other spirits with his powers; he siphoned energy of many spirits as an example.