Valkorion vs Exar Kun & Count Dooku & Deceived Malgus

Originally posted by Sinious
Indeed, he is flow walking and slowing time, it is not the same as moving extremely fast. If Valkorion perceived things while in his body that much faster than Arcann, how did he not see Arcann coming? Getting sucker punched by someone is not the same as getting sucker punched by someone x100 times slower than you.

Valkorion did not physically move that fast but unleashed a Force power that fast (reaction-time). This is my point.

Arcann is supposed to be immensely fast by the way.

Lol Aryn Leneer used a form of moving meditation to amplify her speed, it is by no means her actual reaction speed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My friend, none of this contradicts my point.

Of-course, Valkorion exists outside the Outlander; he is using the Outlander as a vessel for some agenda that we are not yet aware of.

However, ponder over this:

1. Lana Beniko is disarmed and on the verge of getting struck by a Zakuul Knight; the Knight's weapon is already in motion.
2. Valkorion immediately manifests and informs the Outlander that he can save Lana from death, should he accept his offer.
3. The Outlander accepts.
4. The Outlander unleashes a massive blast of power, leveling the field.
5. The attack materializes so fast - before the attacking Zakuul Knight could land a blow on Lana - and the latter is saved.

In the aforementioned example, Valkorion unleashed a Force power through a physical vessel just like he would with a Voice.

The need for permission and/or additional dialogue before the attack - are irrelevant details for storytelling purpose. The mechanism is same with a Voice.

Valkorion just unleashes everything he has with the Force. Dooku dies first, then Malgus in short order, then Kun gets overwhelmed once he's on his own.

Tbh, though personally I think Malgus and Dooku die at the same time.

I'm not so sure Valkorion can overwhelm Dooku AND Malgus at once. That seems excessive.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Lol Aryn Leneer used a form of moving meditation to amplify her speed, it is by no means her actual reaction speed.

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Originally posted by SunRazer
Valkorion just unleashes everything he has with the Force. Dooku dies first, then Malgus in short order, then Kun gets overwhelmed once he's on his own.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not so sure Valkorion can overwhelm Dooku AND Malgus at once. That seems excessive.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You and your assumptions...

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I own the novel, thanks. I spent a serious degree of time debating the maths on TFN so no I am not making assumptions here; I over-analysed her 'feat' and she quite clearly hasn't replicated that speed, or anywhere near it for that matter, in any combative situation.

She sunk into a mindset, presumably moving meditation given her working on the ship's systems the whole time she performed that feat. It states very clearly that she had to maintain complete focus and would exhaust herself doing it for too long.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not so sure Valkorion can overwhelm Dooku AND Malgus at once. That seems excessive.

How so? Malgus and Dooku are indeed both incredibly powerful force users, but we've seen Valkorion one shot comparably/more powerful force users, (Arcann, Revan). His 2nd attack on Arcann in his weakened state also had extreme coverage, making taking them both out at the same time wholely possible.

One-shotting similarly powerful force users doesn't mean he can do so to 2 of them at once. You think he could do that to Revan and Arcann if they were together?

Malgus and Dooku together doesn't compare to Revan and Arcann together, so the point is moot.

Well firstly, Arcann and Revan >/>> Dooku and Deceived!Malgus, and secondly, maybe. I mean he exerted little to no effort when he one shotted Arcann. I don't want to shortchange Revan, but given the ridiculous spread of Valkorion's Lightning, I'd think he could at least overwhelm the two, especially in a setting like this with a 20 meter separation. I'd argue the Outlander is superior to Deceived Malgus, and he gets lolstomped by a much weaker Valkorion.

I forgot this was just Deceived Malgus.

Hell, even if the team closes the distance and cuts Valkorion down, (which I don't think they will,) he'll finish off whoever's left as a spirit. 🙂

Outlander> any version of Malgus

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Aryn Leener once approached nanosecond(s) level reaction-time so why this is impossible for Valkorion?

Valkorion did not physically move that fast but unleashed a Force power that fast (reaction-time). This is my point.

Arcann is supposed to be immensely fast by the way.

I don't doubt his speed though, just saying that he's obviously not x500 faster than anyone else.

Arcann is probably faster than Aryn, just not the mythical one legend is claiming. She is not nanosecond tier outside of a mental state that can incapacitate her if she maintains it too long and she has to maintain full concentration to employ.

Agreed, though I honestly doubt even that Aryn was moving at nanosecond speed as much as it's an extreme over exaggeration on the author's part. I've yet to see anyone break the sound barrier, let alone approaching the speed of light.

The description is very flowery indeed.