Vakorion vs. Abeloth

Started by Nephthys11 pages

Better than life-wiping Ziost?

The amount of time and effort went into that compared to Abeloth's creating a volcano from the ground and destroying entire city feats (both pulled off at will iirc) is inferior in raw power imo.

Originally posted by Sinious
The amount of time and effort went into that compared to Abeloth's creating a volcano from the ground and destroying entire city feats (both pulled off at will iirc) is inferior in raw power imo.

I have to admit that line of reasoning doesn't really make sense to me.

It took time and effort because Vitiate was in a weakened spirit form. 😬

Still, its a more complex way of achieving destruction than the two feats I've mentioned, so I don't see it as purely raw power.

But, I haven't considered the fact that Vitiate was weakened, damn. 😬

I think I'm slowly being turned to the side of Vitiate > Sidious...

Originally posted by Sinious
The amount of time and effort went into that compared to Abeloth's creating a volcano from the ground and destroying entire city feats (both pulled off at will iirc) is inferior in raw power imo.

A one off Sith from TOR destroyed a city with "raw power" tho.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
A one off Sith from TOR destroyed a city with "raw power" tho.
lmfao damn maybe he is above Abe..... 🙂

Yeah. Vitiate while weakened cleansed the planet, then gained all the power from all those millions of deaths. Hence his oneshot-fests. 🙂

Originally posted by Sinious
The amount of time and effort went into that compared to Abeloth's creating a volcano from the ground and destroying entire city feats (both pulled off at will iirc) is inferior in raw power imo.

My friend,

Abeloth did not create a volcano, she caused eruption of a dormant one.

The dormant volcano was dormant no longer. Gouts of orange magma spewed kilometers into the air and rained death down along the side of the mountain. It was a terrifying sight, but what alarmed Luke even more than the racing lava was the cloud above it. It looked like smoke, churning and billowing, gray and thick, but it was nothing so benevolent as mere choking ash. He knew what he was looking at.

Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

More importantly:

Abeloth was feeding on the dark side energy of their fear, Ben knew. He had seen her do it on Pydyr, when the entire population of the moon believed they were dying from an illusory plague. And now she was doing it on Coruscant, where the anxiety of the inhabitants had to be mounting by the hour as the battle raged ever more fiercely. With trillions of inhabitants on Coruscant, Abeloth's harvest would be limitless. Ben could not help wondering if this had been her plan all along - to set Jedi and Sith against each other, then feast on the fallout.

Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

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It was being drawn down into the heart of the Jedi Temple, where in the computer core on level 351, Abeloth was feeding on the dark side power being released by billions of terrified Coruscanti.

Taken from Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse

Abeloth fed on the energy emitted by billions of inhabitants of the planet Coruscant to acquire sufficient strength to cause seismic activity throughout the world (i.e. Coruscant) and multi-task in combat situations. She had a virtually endless supply of reserves on this world.

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Valkorion's showings on Ziost are relatively superior. He managed to telepathically influence nearly the entire populace of Ziost, using them to spread chaos and bloodshed. At the same time, Valkorion fed on the chaos and bloodshed to recover his strength or become more powerful then ever before. When he recovered, he devastated the entire world with a blast of power soon after.

Global cataclysms are not unheard of. Whole worlds teeming with life have been rendered lifeless by meteorites, broken apart by instability in the planet's own core--even atomized by the destructive force of a supernova. But the eerie calm of a world stripped of life yet left otherwise intact is another matter altogether. Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4--but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

To give you an idea, Darth Bane conjured a Death Field of about 30m in diameter and he could not sustain it without drawing on the power of the nexus and consuming his opponents. In contrast, Valkorion created a Death Field and expanded it across the planet Ziost, consuming all life-forms and ravaging the environment of the world in the process. The kinetic energy behind Valkorion's ultimate attack caused seismic activity throughout the world and even shook the space stations.

Therefore, we have statements of Valkorion being miles ahead of any Jedi and/or Sith in power and capabilities.

So feats wise, is there no one above Valkorion? 🙂

At this point, he should be banned from versus debates. 🙂

Originally posted by Sinious
So feats wise, is there no one above Valkorion? 🙂

Only Bedlam spirits.

Makes sense, though only until the arrival of GodLander who will transcend time and space and eventually the Force itself through becoming its master.

Originally posted by Sinious
Makes sense, though only until the arrival of GodLander who will transcend time and space and eventually the Force itself through becoming its master.

Who is GodLander?

Freshest should fill you in on that. He is the gonna surpass the Mortis trio and become the godfather of the force.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Who is GodLander?
Spoiler:
"Forget what your old masters taught you. Not even Valkorion understands. The Force is not an ally, slave, or transaction. The Force is a paradox. It empowers, and imprisons. It destroys and unites. It binds the galaxy together, and tears people apart. It has a will... but needs a commander."
"You will create a pure extension of the Force's will--one you alone control. With it, you can unite a thousand stars."
"Trust in the path ahead. Your Alliance... and the Force... awaits its Commander. Farewell."

Originally posted by Sinious
Freshest should fill you in on that. He is the gonna surpass the Mortis trio and become the godfather of the force.

Interesting. Most interesting.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Spoiler:
"Forget what your old masters taught you. Not even Valkorion understands. The Force is not an ally, slave, or transaction. The Force is a paradox. It empowers, and imprisons. It destroys and unites. It binds the galaxy together, and tears people apart. It has a will... but needs a commander."
"You will create a pure extension of the Force's will--one you alone control. With it, you can unite a thousand stars."
"Trust in the path ahead. Your Alliance... and the Force... awaits its Commander. Farewell."

Jesus.

Spoiler:
So basically, every being in the entire mythos got it wrong and the Outlander has the opportunity to become... God?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Spoiler:
So basically, every being in the entire mythos got it wrong and the Outlander has the opportunity to become... God?

Damn

Well, as far as I am aware, those assertions about the Force are true to an extent. Scary stuff.

Moreover;

"I have evolved beyond Light and Dark."

What do fellow members make of the aforementioned statement?