Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Windu and Revan should take this. Mace can hold off if not beat Galen while Revan defeats Bane. Revan and Mace then double team Galen.
Explain to me how Mace has a chance against Marek. We already had this debate in the last thread in which you failed to respond.
Originally posted by Tondemonai
Team 1 for sure. Doesn't matter how you match it. Mace > Bane, Revan > Galen, and Revan >> Bane. Mace is roughly on par with Galen, above in sabers, but lacking in Force all around, however their difference is minute at best compared to the difference between Bane and Revan. Sidious called TFU Vader a "shadow of his former self" (along those lines, I can get the exact quote if needed), so essentially Galen is roughly = ROTS Anakin. I wouldn't necessarily put him solidly above or below Mace, but that's just me. Revan tbh is > Galen in Force in all respects, sabers I won't touch, and Mace would be able to handle Bane with moderate difficulty. Switch up the matchup and Revan just molests Bane early on before helping Mace who should be able to cope with Galen's Force assaults long enough for Revan to lend a hand and squash him together.
More Bane lowballing and I'd debate you on Revan and Galen. In my mind they're at least on par and Galen is his superior in some areas.
Already debated Mace vs Galen in which none of you felt fit to respond.
There's only one feat of Mace's that I can remember being potentially better.
In regards to lightsaber skill Bane beat an extremely skilled opponent when they were using their usual weapon and began losing to them when they began using an unfamiliar weapon. If he'd had the same knowledge of this other weapon I believe the result would have been much the same as when he was fighting against the opponent using their usual weapon.
He had decades to improve after that point though imo this remains his best feat as his other showings while good aren't really replicatable in the same way since he won't have his orbalisk armor here. We do know he is practiced in Djem So, Juyo and Soresu and that he is capable of handling multiple opponents. We also know he must have improved to some degree over the decades he spent honing his skills.
Look at this reasonably Carth. I'm not saying Bane is the superior duelist just that he's comparable or possibly on par and his superior physicals and superior power in the Force will allow him to win a majority.
If you still disagree I would like to know what opponents Mace has beaten with a lightsaber that would him ahead of Bane by the margin you're arguing. The only ones I can remember him beating or stalemating aside from Sidious are a pre prime Ventress and a hindered Grievous. :/
Originally posted by Syndicate
Explain to me how Mace has a chance against Marek. We already had this debate in the last thread in which you failed to respond.
Again, I'm not sure what missed. I responded to everything I said I would and gave the mace is second to Yoda sources so I'm not sure what else you put that I didn't respond too, besides the post about canocity levels.
Anyway, mace is better with a saber, established. Galen is better in the force but not to the point he will overwhelm Mace before mace gets him with the saber.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again, I'm not sure what missed. I responded to everything I said I would and gave the mace is second to Yoda sources so I'm not sure what else you put that I didn't respond too, besides the post about canocity levels.Anyway, mace is better with a saber, established. Galen is better in the force but not to the point he will overwhelm Mace before mace gets him with the saber.
Everything you said you would? That's not how it works. You're supposed to respond to a post in its entirety. Giving a statement about Mace being second in the order that's contradicted by other quotes doesn't make that all go away.
Not established. You provided no evidence showing such. Galen is far superior in the Force to the point where he potentially ragdolls.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Everything you said you would? That's not how it works. You're supposed to respond to a post in its entirety. Giving a statement about Mace being second in the order that's contradicted by other quotes doesn't make that all go away.Not established. You provided no evidence showing such. Galen is far superior in the Force to the point where he potentially ragdolls.
And I did, everything that I saw, espicially in that monster paragraph of yours, everything I responded to so again I'm not sure what I didn't respond to. It was actaully three quotes actaully, and that's when level of canocity come into play. If the books contradict anything from the movies for instance, the mov Ed take precedence.
Actaully it was established for sabers, you yourself admitted it. You just said that Mace wouldn't steam roll him. Haha, no. He doesn't ragdoll. I admit Galen does have more power than Mace, but not the point he would ragdoll him. We've already had this debate so, I'm not sure if there is anything left to discuss.
You must have missed it. If you'd like I can send you the parts of the post you didn't respond to over TG. There is ONLY canon and ONLY Legends now. When discussing EU and canon material in a single thread they are ALL on an even playing field.
No, I said Mace potentially has an advantage over him something that after meditating on I have decided I do not believe any more.
I don't see what feats Mace has to keep himself from getting ragdolled. Seriously there's no shame in it. Even Sidious was ragdolled by the might of Galen.
Originally posted by Syndicate
You must have missed it. If you'd like I can send you the parts of the post you didn't respond to over TG. There is ONLY canon and ONLY Legends now. When discussing EU and canon material in a single thread they are ALL on an even playing field.No, I said Mace potentially has an advantage over him something that after meditating on I have decided I do not believe any more.
I don't see what feats Mace has to keep himself from getting ragdolled. Seriously there's no shame in it. Even Sidious was ragdolled by the might of Galen.
Yes do send me the stuff I didn't reply to. I was always under the impression Sidious was playing around in that fight. No way Galen could ragdoll him. Sidious said he could be his equal, not his superior. That there by itself, shows him ragdolling Sidious wasn't a defending Sidious.
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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes do send me the stuff I didn't reply to. I was always under the impression Sidious was playing around in that fight. No way Galen could ragdoll him. Sidious said he could be his equal, not his superior. That there by itself, shows him ragdolling Sidious wasn't a defending Sidious.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/4289306-4662437385-34628.png
Alright I'll send it to you and respond in a few hours. Have to get to class.
Nevermind. Class was cancelled. Alright I've decided that I'm not going to expend the effort to find what you didn't respond to in the last thread. We'll just deal with it here.
Do you have any evidence that Sidious wasn't defending himself or was that only your opinion? All the quote proves is that the Emperor's strength exceeded his own. As we know Dooku's own power exceeded Savage's but Savage was able to overwhelm both him and Ventress simultaneously. Galen was under similar circumstances as he saw his friend and mentor Rahm being tortured by Sidious. The showing is valid unless you can prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Nevermind. Class was cancelled. Alright I've decided that I'm not going to expend the effort to find what you didn't respond to in the last thread. We'll just deal with it here.Do you have any evidence that Sidious wasn't defending himself or was that only your opinion? All the quote proves is that the Emperor's strength exceeded his own. As we know Dooku's own power exceeded Savage's but Savage was able to overwhelm both him and Ventress simultaneously. Galen was under similar circumstances as he saw his friend and mentor Rahm being tortured by Sidious. The showing is valid unless you can prove otherwise.
Again, all evidence points to that Galen was below or equal to Sidious in every way. Raw power, actaul power, knowledge in the force, while Savage had the actaul potential being embued by Talzin to surpass Dooku possible. Then, if Sidious' power greatly exceeds his own, there is no way in hell or on earth that Galen would actaully be able to ragdoll the emperor, that's just ridiculous to beleive he could. The incident with Dooku can be attributed to many factors, in that his raw power possibly showed up out of no where, and boosted by his rage, his full might came to bear and it overwhelmed Dooku, possibly. Galen cannot be said to be the same.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again, all evidence points to that Galen was below or equal to Sidious in every way. Raw power, actaul power, knowledge in the force, while Savage had the actaul potential being embued by Talzin to surpass Dooku possible. Then, if Sidious' power greatly exceeds his own, there is no way in hell or on earth that Galen would actaully be able to ragdoll the emperor, that's just ridiculous to beleive he could. The incident with Dooku can be attributed to many factors, in that his raw power possibly showed up out of no where, and boosted by his rage, his full might came to bear and it overwhelmed Dooku, possibly. Galen cannot be said to be the same.
Your evidence being?
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Are you trying to say Talzin can imbue non force sensitive beings with enough power to be on or above Dooku's level?
I don't really see it. Galen ragdolls Sidious in a moment of anger but then relents. He then goes on to stalemate Sidious briefly before being overwhelmed likely because he had just fought through armies of Imperials and Vader and thus his force reserves were depleted. In regards to potential Sidious believe he could have been his successor and thus his superior.
What the hell was this video supposed to prove?
