Originally posted by FrothByte
Meh. This whole "tearing the suit" was in response to TI saying that Superman can easily tear off a vibranium IM suit. Just saying that based on what we've seen of Superman, it doesn't seem like he easily just tears suits off, much less vibranium ones.
So wait, a much weaker person like Wolverine can tear adamentium armor off an SS.
But a person that can pull a ice breaker through the Arctic, can't do a much easier feat for him like break some armor off the suit?
Get outa here.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I fully believe Superman could've beaten Batman if he wanted to. I think Batman embarrassed him a little, but he was clearly holding back. It's not like Batman could really beat Superman or anything. Suit or no suit.
Bro he never wanted to kill him, and even weakened, Batmans suit broke on hitting his face. If anything Supes embarrassed him, because Bats wanted to kill Superman, hence the Spear
Superman did not want to kill Batman, he was stalling for time and trying to reason with Batman to help him get his mom back.
Why are people not seeing these clearly easy things to see. This was all in the movie..
The first time Superman hit batman he barely touched him and sent him flying like a craptoid chump
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI can agree with this. It's the beauty of plot devices like Kryptonite.
I fully believe Superman could've beaten Batman if he wanted to. I think Batman embarrassed him a little, but he was clearly holding back. It's not like Batman could really beat Superman or anything. Suit or no suit.
Originally posted by FrothByteSupes tearing off a vibranium suit is a bit more iffy.
Meh. This whole "tearing the suit" was in response to TI saying that Superman can easily tear off a vibranium IM suit. Just saying that based on what we've seen of Superman, it doesn't seem like he easily just tears suits off, much less vibranium ones.
Can IM even make a vibranium suit? If he could, he would have made Veronica out of it, and Hulk would have been helpless. Plus, Vibranium hasn't been show to stand up to anyone on Supermans level. I'm not convinced Supes couldn't eventually destroy it. Now, assuming that he cant make it, and Supes cant tear through it, cant Supes just fly Iron Man into outer space for an instawin? IMs suit in the first Avengers couldn't withstand space which caused it to completely stop functioning, and he never created any upgrade it to be able to yet as far as I know. There's a lot of what ifs there.
Starks Hulk Buster suit barely managed to take Hulk. A Superman Buster suit just seems outside of his capabilities. I think we're severely overestimating IMs prep abilities.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I can agree with this. It's the beauty of plot devices like Kryptonite.Supes tearing off a vibranium suit is a bit more iffy.
Can IM even make a vibranium suit? If he could, he would have made Veronica out of it, and Hulk would have been helpless. Plus, Vibranium hasn't been show to stand up to anyone on Supermans level. I'm not convinced Supes couldn't eventually destroy it. Now, assuming that he cant make it, and Supes cant tear through it, cant Supes just fly Iron Man into outer space for an instawin? IMs suit in the first Avengers couldn't withstand space which caused it to completely stop functioning, and he never created any upgrade it to be able to yet as far as I know. There's a lot of what ifs there.
Starks Hulk Buster suit barely managed to take Hulk. A Superman Buster suit just seems outside of his capabilities. I think we're severely overestimating IMs prep abilities.
IM built veronica before AoU. I'd like to think that after the events of AoU that they now know where to get all that vibranium. Cap's shield held off a charged hammer strike from Thor without a dent. I don't think Superman has ever delivered as much destruction from a single strike as Thor's charged hammer strikes.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So wait, a much weaker person like Wolverine can tear adamentium armor off an SS.But a person that can pull a ice breaker through the Arctic, can't do a much easier feat for him like break some armor off the suit?
Get outa here.
I'll have to rewatch that SS fight to be sure, but didn't Wolverine use his claws to open up that suit?
Besides, we're talking about Vibranium here. Not adamantium.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'll have to rewatch that SS fight to be sure, but didn't Wolverine use his claws to open up that suit?Besides, we're talking about Vibranium here. Not adamantium.
He was bone claws when he did it..
adamentium=vibranium.
Dont act like there is this huge difference with it.
Originally posted by relentless1
Vibranuim isn't all that its cracked up to be in the MCU, Ultrons vibranium body was torn apart pretty easily at the end of AOU considering the hype surrounding the metal.Nothing Tony can do short of obtaining Kryptonite will allow him to win this fight.
Ultron's final body wasn't made of vibranium, or at least not all of it. The vibranium was used for Vision's body.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He was bone claws when he did it..adamentium=vibranium.
Dont act like there is this huge difference with it.
So you're just going to give the same attributes to vibranium as adamantium just because you think they're similar despite them being from 2 completely separate movie franchises?
Does series Daredevil also get Affleck's Daredevil feats? No? Then Vibranium doesn't get adamantium feats and vice versa.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ultron's final body wasn't made of vibranium, or at least not all of it. The vibranium was used for Vision's body.
Iron Man specifically calls Ultron out during their last battle, asking Ultron what kind of Vibranuim cocktail he cooked up or some such shit, referring to his new and improved vibranium body.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ultron's final body wasn't made of vibranium, or at least not all of it. The vibranium was used for Vision's body.
IIRC, Ultron's body (the giant one he makes while Black Widow is captive) was made of Vibranium, it just wasn't his "perfect" biological/vibranium composite body powered with the Infinity Stone. He bought/took a large amount of vibranium from the arms dealer cat in Africa.
Why he only sustained relatively minor damage when he took a triple attack to the face from IM, Thor and Vision.
Originally posted by relentless1
Iron Man specifically calls Ultron out during their last battle, asking Ultron what kind of Vibranuim cocktail he cooked up or some such shit, referring to his new and improved vibranium body.
And how exactly would IM have known that Ultron's entire body would be made of Vibranium? He wasn't there when Ultron created that body. All we know is that the vibranium he had was used for Vision.
And even if he was vibranium, it still took the combined blasts of Thor's lightning, Visions mind gem and IM's repulsors to do damage. I don't recall Superman ever showing that kind of damage output.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And how exactly would IM have known that Ultron's entire body would be made of Vibranium? He wasn't there when Ultron created that body. All we know is that the vibranium he had was used for Vision.And even if he was vibranium, it still took the combined blasts of Thor's lightning, Visions mind gem and IM's repulsors to do damage. I don't recall Superman ever showing that kind of damage output.
now youre just splitting hairs. If a character says something in a film, unless its specifically proven wrong in said film then you are meant to take the as a fact..Ultrons final body was made of vibranuim. Fact.
Yes it took all three of those attacks to damage the vibranuim but I haven't seen any of these attacks instantly vaporize a person like Supermans heat vision did. That alone is a more impressive feat than any of the beams shown by any of the Avengers not to mention Superman was able to casually vaporize people, it didn't look like he put much effort into it at all. So I think he's got a good shot at damaging anything vibranium.
Honestly don't think HV would do anything much to vibranium, due to its unique properties, but as seen in AOU, extended powerful energy blasts can cause it to heat up (and melt), so even if HV can't melt Tony's vibranium suit, it will heat it up and cook Tony alive inside.
Also not sure in Tony could survive endless rage-dolling inside the suit, as Superman could easily blitz and grab him.
Originally posted by relentless1
now youre just splitting hairs. If a character says something in a film, unless its specifically proven wrong in said film then you are meant to take the as a fact..Ultrons final body was made of vibranuim. Fact.Yes it took all three of those attacks to damage the vibranuim but I haven't seen any of these attacks instantly vaporize a person like Supermans heat vision did. That alone is a more impressive feat than any of the beams shown by any of the Avengers not to mention Superman was able to casually vaporize people, it didn't look like he put much effort into it at all. So I think he's got a good shot at damaging anything vibranium.
Thor's lightning alone is strong enough to destroy multiple leviathans when charged long enough. What has Superman's HV done in comparison? Also, when did Superman casually vaporize people?
Originally posted by Robtard
HV's greatest feat is probably cutting a skyscraper in half in one blastDream/alt future sequence, extra-angry-Supes incinerated two of Batman's guys with quick glances
Steel and concrete are not really that tough in the superhero world. The leviathans were smashing buildings left and right so I know they're tougher than buildings.
As for incinerating, are we taking that dream sequence as actual feats for Superman?