Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Phoenix wanted him to kill her, and was only tearing chunks of flesh off of him, where as she was full on atomizing everything else. Even if he had the skeleton, if she had treated him like everyone else, she should have stripped all the skin and muscle off him in one go. Not to mention she was lifting others in the air, but choosing to just knock him back. She could have lifted him and tossed him a mile away at any point, but chose not to. So kind of an ambiguous showing. And that proves my point about how dumb and ridiculous the Wolverine tearing adamantium showing is. Would you really take anyone seriously who would suggest Wolverine is physically stronger than Phoenix's tk?Yes it can be damaged. But what is required to damage it > Wolverine level strength, seeing as that was the comparison initially drawn.
Using that kind of logic for debating doesn't work, because just because something is the best in its universe, doesn't mean it would hold up as well in another on. Adamantium does not exist in Tony's universe, and as such has never been directly matched against vibranium onscreen, so there is not much of a point bringing it up, because in the end it remains speculation.
I still voted for Supes and said that I don't think Tony can actually figure out a way to beat Superman without kryptonite. I just had an issue with that line of reasoning. Would have pointed it out regardless of who was making the argument.
In the end, I actually agree with a statement you made way earlier. This thread is dumb and has no real scope.
Don't disagree with most of this, though I will say one thing In Re: Phoenix and Wolverine interaction. I do get what you're saying as there is a little bit of ambiguity there, to some degree at least. The thing is, it doesn't make sense for her to be atomizing others, but just trying to take chunks from Wolverine. That seems to imply that Jean wasn't trying to kill him, and that I just don't really agree with. I'll admit it is possible, considering their relationship. However, it then begs the question:
Why did Jean/Phoenix even try and do anything at all? She was clearly hurting him, and severely so, only thanks to his healing factor did he not die. We'd have to then further extrapolate that she knew exactly what he could take thanks to his HF and did just enough. While possible, seems a bridge too far.
Plus, when you watch the scene, there is a ashy hot dark substance flying away from him body. It looks very similar to what she was doing to everybody else and they turned it ash. So if we say she was trying to kill him, well then he'd have to heal pretty fast... Well, he's Wolverine.
Think about it, when he went flying from his bike and he brought down the Chopper in Origins. His jump later in the movie from the collapsing reactor structure. His flying throw the window in X1. They all point to the same thing, his immediate injuries would be severe in any one of those instances. Yet all we see is some cuts and a KO sometimes. He's mostly fine. So it seems likely he just continued to heal over and over each time she blasted him. He's just Wolverine. Now I'm not sure what the discussion is over, and like I said, I agree with your post mostly. Even don't disagree on what I commented on. I think there is some level of subjectivity to the scene. That's just my view on it.