Tony Stark (with prep) vs Superman

Originally posted by FrothByte
Steel and concrete are not really that tough in the superhero world. The leviathans were smashing buildings left and right so I know they're tougher than buildings.

As for incinerating, are we taking that dream sequence as actual feats for Superman?

Actually take that back, Superman cut into and took out the Kryptonian seed-ship with his HV. Kryptonian metal seems to be incredibly tough by several appearances. eg the damage their battlesuits can shrug off.

In regards to BvS, that dream sequence was actually a reality that would have happened in Lois died. But burning people isn't all that impressive compared to easily cutting a skyscraper in half and taking out a Kryptonian ship. At least I hope we're not going to get into some "Superman never burned people so he can't burn people" type of quanchi-derp argument that ignores greater showings, cos I'd rather not.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're just going to give the same attributes to vibranium as adamantium just because you think they're similar despite them being from 2 completely separate movie franchises?

Does series Daredevil also get Affleck's Daredevil feats? No? Then Vibranium doesn't get adamantium feats and vice versa.

Nice try, won't work.

If your going to go that tactic then you have zero proof.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And how exactly would IM have known that Ultron's entire body would be made of Vibranium? He wasn't there when Ultron created that body. All we know is that the vibranium he had was used for Vision.

Well, Tony was presumably able to detect it in the same way he detected the rest of it through layers and layers of rock, scanned a whole building for life signs before dropping the Hulk on it, detected the spike in energy for the shield generator for the Hydra base etc. and those are just a handful of examples I can think from AoU alone. Throughout the films, it's shown that Tony has a large amount of scanners etc. on his suit, capable of detecting and analyzing various things.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Steel and concrete are not really that tough in the superhero world. The leviathans were smashing buildings left and right so I know they're tougher than buildings.

As for incinerating, are we taking that dream sequence as actual feats for Superman?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Nice try, won't work.

If your going to go that tactic then you have zero proof.

Actually, his example holds up. The 2 Daredevils aren't canon to each other, so we won't assign them each others feats.

Adamantium and vibranium exist in different universes, have different origins, different characteristics (vibranium can absorb/reflect energy), and adamantium does not have vibranium's high end feats.

So any burden of proof here would be on you to show "vibranium = adamantium", and to such a degree that one can consider the two interchangeable, despite all the differences listed above, considering you were the one who made the claim and used it in your argument.

Adamentium in its verse is indestructible besides the SS way.

To say that Wolverine can rip off the armor with bone claws and now say Kal El, who is an alien himself from another verse can't rip of vibranium in the same way is laughable.

Vibranium and Adamentium are damageable by intense heat.

Superman clears this.

Originally posted by FrothByte
IM built veronica before AoU. I'd like to think that after the events of AoU that they now know where to get all that vibranium. Cap's shield held off a charged hammer strike from Thor without a dent. I don't think Superman has ever delivered as much destruction from a single strike as Thor's charged hammer strikes.

Plus, Superman survived a nuke. It damaged the hell out of him, but he survived it. Ultron wasn't able to survive the Thor/Vision/Iron Man triple shot, which I wouldn't put anywhere near a nuke, so Supes is likely more resilient than vibranium is. There is the fact that Ultron probably isn't as fully vibranium (cocktail), but it is still the majority since its considered vibranium.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor's lightning alone is strong enough to destroy multiple leviathans when charged long enough. What has Superman's HV done in comparison? Also, when did Superman casually vaporize people?

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I also wouldn't put Thors hammer strike above Supermans offensive capabilities. Just because Thor couldn't dent it, doesn't mean Superman wouldn't be able to punch through. Vibranium still has yet to stand up to anything that can match Superman.

Plus, Superman survived a nuke. It damaged the hell out of him, but he survived it. Ultron wasn't able to survive the Thor/Vision/Iron Man triple shot, which I wouldn't put anywhere near a nuke, so Supes is likely more resilient than vibranium is. There is the fact that Ultron probably isn't as fully vibranium (cocktail), but it is still the majority since its considered vibranium.

Thor used the building as a conduit though too, so I wouldn't say that blast was indicative of his normal blasts. A blast like that would have incinerated Iron Man when they fought as opposed to just charging him. I doubt IM could stand up to an extended HV blast either.

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That's not proof. Again, high end vibranium feats > high end adamantium feats. And again, they don't have all the same characteristics, or the same origin.

You are literally trying to take the very lowest onscreen showing for adamantium (because being damaged by Logan, when Juggs couldn't, is a massive PIS low end showing) and trying to make claims about vibranium because of it.

Would you be happy if people started using Reeves Superman's lowest showings as evidence that Tony can hurt MoS? No, because it is a separate canonical version of the character, and his feats don't apply to MoS.

Edit: Whether Supes can or can not damage vibranium is not the point to me here. Trying to use a totally difference substance from a totally different universe as evidence that he can is where I have an issue.

Logans adamentium took on the full power of the phoenix force. Which you conveniently forgot or don't want to mention.

Vibranium was damaged even if it was an alloy. This is common knowledge in the real world that alloys are always stronger then just one substance.

Hence Titanium Alloy>Titanium.

Also Why are you trying to split hairs with me? Both metals in there respected verses are the strongest metal in that verse.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That's not proof. Again, high end vibranium feats > high end adamantium feats. And again, they don't have all the same characteristics, or the same origin.

You are literally trying to take the very lowest onscreen showing for [B]adamantium (because being damaged by Logan, when Juggs couldn't, is a massive PIS low end showing) and trying to make claims about vibranium because of it.

Would you be happy if people started using Reeves Superman's lowest showings as evidence that Tony can hurt MoS? No, because it is a separate canonical version of the character, and his feats don't apply to MoS.

Edit: Whether Supes can or can not damage vibranium is not the point to me here. Trying to use a totally difference substance from a totally different universe as evidence that he can is where I have an issue. [/B]

People argued that IM could possibly make his suit out of vibranium, which is why I'm arguing that supes could still damage it.

Arch, he left out the highest end feat adamentium has resisting the Phoenix force full power, but he wants to include the high end feat for vibranium. How is that even fair?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Logans adamentium took on the full power of the phoenix force. Which you conveniently forgot or don't want to mention.

Vibranium was damaged even if it was an alloy. This is common knowledge in the real world that alloys are always stronger then just one substance.

Hence Titanium Alloy>Titanium.

Also Why are you trying to split hairs with me? Both metals in there respected verses are the strongest metal in that verse.

Phoenix wanted him to kill her, and was only tearing chunks of flesh off of him, where as she was full on atomizing everything else. Even if he had the skeleton, if she had treated him like everyone else, she should have stripped all the skin and muscle off him in one go. Not to mention she was lifting others in the air, but choosing to just knock him back. She could have lifted him and tossed him a mile away at any point, but chose not to. So kind of an ambiguous showing. And that proves my point about how dumb and ridiculous the Wolverine tearing adamantium showing is. Would you really take anyone seriously who would suggest Wolverine is physically stronger than Phoenix's tk?

Yes it can be damaged. But what is required to damage it > Wolverine level strength, seeing as that was the comparison initially drawn.

Using that kind of logic for debating doesn't work, because just because something is the best in its universe, doesn't mean it would hold up as well in another on. Adamantium does not exist in Tony's universe, and as such has never been directly matched against vibranium onscreen, so there is not much of a point bringing it up, because in the end it remains speculation.

I still voted for Supes and said that I don't think Tony can actually figure out a way to beat Superman without kryptonite. I just had an issue with that line of reasoning. Would have pointed it out regardless of who was making the argument.

In the end, I actually agree with a statement you made way earlier. This thread is dumb and has no real scope.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I'm not arguing anything about adamantium. I thought that was terrible. Adamantium is supposed to be unbreakable by any amount of force and not susceptible to melting from heat. Adamantium in the movies obviously is significantly weaker than its comic book counterpart.

People argued that IM could possibly make his suit out of vibranium, which is why I'm arguing that supes could still damage it.

My post was directed at TI and the argument that because Wolverine could tear through SS's supposed adamantium armour, Superman can tear through vibranium, and that the two were then said to be direct equals.

Like I said, maybe Supes can do it. But using something from a different film continuity can't provide conclusive proof either way.

Again, I voted for Supes here.

Cool👆

Gnite

Phoenix didn't Jean wanted it. Stark became an expert on thermonuclear astro physics in less then a day expert in less then a day.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Cool👆

Gnite

Was actually going to watch the Justice League vs Teen Titans animated movie. 😆 A friend watched it and claimed that it was heavily implied that that version of Superman is powerful enough to move the Moon.

Originally posted by golem370
Phoenix didn't Jean wanted it. Stark became an expert on thermonuclear astro physics in less then a day expert in less then a day.

Tony stll wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Tony stll wins.

To dumb to come up with a rational debate?