Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Because Hulk has which strength feats that put him above Superman? And which feats to deal with his flight, speed and HV?
It comes down to this IMO. Hulk is just physical superior to Superman imo. Sure Superman has a speed advantage, but Hulk is fast enough to react if need be.
Here's why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqAJKFc59w
As you'll notice here... Faora flash KO'd him with her slam to the ground. You can see he's not moving and his eyes are closed as he lay motionless on the ground. He's later KO'd by a slam and a kick from Nam. Point is, then reference this:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It comes down to this IMO. Hulk is just physical superior to Superman imo. Sure Superman has a speed advantage, but Hulk is fast enough to react if need be.Here's why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqAJKFc59w
As you'll notice here... Faora flash KO'd him with her slam to the ground. You can see he's not moving and his eyes are closed as he lay motionless on the ground. He's later KO'd by a slam and a kick from Nam. Point is, then reference this:
Both of these characters have the same strength and speed as Superman, also it was 2 on 1. Basically this proves nothing.
Also, funny that you ignore Superman KOing Nam-Ek.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It comes down to this IMO. Hulk is just physical superior to Superman imo. Sure Superman has a speed advantage, but Hulk is fast enough to react if need be.Here's why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqAJKFc59w
As you'll notice here... Faora flash KO'd him with her slam to the ground. You can see he's not moving and his eyes are closed as he lay motionless on the ground. He's later KO'd by a slam and a kick from Nam. Point is, then reference this:
So wait, Hulkbuster can KO Hulk. But that does not make Hulk weak, but Supermans equals who teamed up on him and temp Ko'ing him is a low showing.
Superman also Ko'd Namek and Faora.
Superman is not only stronger then Hulk, but faster.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So wait, Hulkbuster can KO Hulk. But that does not make Hulk weak, but Supermans equals who teamed up on him and temp Ko'ing him is a low showing.Superman also Ko'd Namek and Faora.
Superman is not only stronger then Hulk, but faster.
Completely disagree that Superman is stronger. I don't buy that for one second actually. For example, I see Hulk EASILY holding up the Oil Rig tower. Hulk is simply stronger than Superman, just like he is in comics. Hulk is simply the strongest guy around.
I didn't say it was a low showing, I'm saying it happened. Being that I don't believe Superman is stronger than hulk, or at the very least they are comparable. Well then, if they can KO Superman, and I believe Hulk is stronger or as strong, well, Hulk will be able to KO him. Superman is a brawler, that is what he does. I don't feel you can brawl with Hulk and end up winning that fight. You might do well for awhile, but eventually Hulk will win out.
Difference is, Hulk was being TP'd at the time, he was clearly dazed and coming out of it, and then he was hit. Before that, IM wasn't able to KO him. For example, an Oil Rig tower falling on superman or the strain KO'd him. Hulk had an entire building collapse on him, and he wasn't KO'd. Thus imo his durability is superior.
IMO superman would look good for most of the start of the fight, but eventually Hulk will get a hold of him, and it's over.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
For example, multiple re entering from the atmosphere failed to KO Supes, but a fall from the helicarrier reverted Hulk to Banner, meaning that he was unconscious from the fall.This said, people should not stop replying KT. Make him better, so he can one day become a decent debater.
Ironic coming from you, one of the poorest debaters on the site. Pot meet kettle.
Or simply that Hulk no longer had anything to be angry about? You know that common theme portrayed in the movies and comics. Perhaps that's why you had no idea, source material isn't your strong suit.
He was KO'd by an oil rig tower falling on him. Hulk had an entire building collapse on him and he was just fine. Getting slammed to the ground temp KO'd superman. Yet hulk slamming him wouldn't? Please.
Hulk has zero good strength feats except the Leviathan punch, which was ultimately stopped by Iron Man, not Hulk. In fact, Iron Man matched an enraged Hulk in a direct test of strength. Superman, on the other hand, casually towed a massive oil tanker through ice, overpowered a singularity, and overpowered the World Engine despite being weakened by it. To say that Hulk is stronger than Superman is ridiculous.
Aside from that, Hulk has no answer to Superman's vast speed advantage (traveling from the Arctic to Metropolis in seconds), or his versatility.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Hulk has zero good strength feats except the Leviathan punch, which was ultimately stopped by Iron Man, not Hulk. In fact, Iron Man matched an enraged Hulk in a direct test of strength. Superman, on the other hand, casually towed a massive oil tanker through ice, overpowered a singularity, and overpowered the World Engine despite being weakened by it. To say that Hulk is stronger than Superman is ridiculous.Aside from that, Hulk has no answer to Superman's vast speed advantage (traveling from the Arctic to Metropolis in seconds), or his versatility.
Totally and completely false. IM did no such thing, and it's now clear you haven't even watched the scene. The leviathan was already stepped. Its momentum had already been stopped. In fact, it was stopped so suddenly... the back end was rising to past straight up (i.e. almost flipped over) when IM fired his shot. IM did nothing to stop it. He only fired a destructive blast to destroy it, he did nothing to stop it. Watch the damn scene before commenting.
Second, that was ONLY when he just got angry... he literally just changed a second before the punch. He wasn't enraged or fully angry by any means... and he still stopped it easily.
Third, every single feat you even mentioned was FLIGHT enabled, and only possible via flight. The weakass singularity was done via flight... not his strength. You do know the difference between flight and strength right? I'm thinking you don't. WE feat, again FLIGHT was the key there not strength. Oil tanker scene... again... see a theme here. The ONE time we see Superman stationary and needing to hold up something via pure strength.... what happened? He was KO'd. Hulk would've easily held that up.
Come back to me when you actually know what the heck you're talking about here.
Not every single feat was flight.
He towed a massive ship through the ice casually, no flight.
He held a massive rocket over his head while on the ground, no flight
He held the oil rig without flight. The only reason it fell was it was top heavy and the ground gave way, The exact same thing would have happened to Hulk..Its physics.
Overpowering the world engine through strength when it had him tied up.
Other kryptonian feats include tossing satellites, trains, cars, vans like toy cars
Hulk was Ko'd by Ironman and by the fall from the hellicarrier. The box in the helicarrier that was designed to kill Hulk also would have killed him.
Hulk cratered the leviathan into the ground and was pushed back and the tail mid and tail end whipped up cause he could not stop it all so Ironman had to finish it off.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Totally and completely false. IM did no such thing, and it's now clear you haven't even watched the scene. The leviathan was already stepped. Its momentum had already been stopped. In fact, it was stopped so suddenly... the back end was rising to past straight up (i.e. almost flipped over) when IM fired his shot. IM did nothing to stop it. He only fired a destructive blast to destroy it, he did nothing to stop it. Watch the damn scene before commenting.Second, that was ONLY when he just got angry... he literally just changed a second before the punch. He wasn't enraged or fully angry by any means... and he still stopped it easily.
Third, every single feat you even mentioned was FLIGHT enabled, and only possible via flight. The weakass singularity was done via flight... not his strength. You do know the difference between flight and strength right? I'm thinking you don't. WE feat, again FLIGHT was the key there not strength. Oil tanker scene... again... see a theme here. The ONE time we see Superman stationary and needing to hold up something via pure strength.... what happened? He was KO'd. Hulk would've easily held that up.
Come back to me when you actually know what the heck you're talking about here.
Yes, he did. Rewatch the scene. Hulk never brough the Leviathan to a full stop. Hulk got pushed back quite a bit. It tipped over, because of the angle its head was pushed towards. Funny that Hulk's mighty punch couldn't even stop it while Thor and Iron Man could one shot Leviathans with missiles and lightning. Don't think that I didn't notice you dodging the part about Hulkbuster matching an enraged Hulk's strength either.
The implication of "I'm always angry" is that Banner learned to control his power. Getting angrier didn't save Hulk from getting KTFO by Iron Man.
Wrong, Superman was walking when he towed the tanker. Watch the movies you debate about. Also, even if you want to separate strength from flight, it still wouldn't matter, because Superman has his flight and speed here, and Hulk has no answer to them.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Not every single feat was flight.He towed a massive ship through the ice casually, no flight.
He held a massive rocket over his head while on the ground, no flight
He held the oil rig without flight. The only reason it fell was it was top heavy and the ground gave way, The exact same thing would have happened to Hulk..Its physics.
Overpowering the world engine through strength when it had him tied up.Other kryptonian feats include tossing satellites, trains, cars, vans like toy cars
Hulk was Ko'd by Ironman and by the fall from the hellicarrier. The box in the helicarrier that was designed to kill Hulk also would have killed him.
Hulk cratered the leviathan into the ground and was pushed back and the tail mid and tail end whipped up cause he could not stop it all so Ironman had to finish it off.
Okay, but the majority of the feats the mentioned involved flight. Which is why they are inapplicable to strength, which is what we are talking about.
How strong are the tentacles though? They have zero feats to base anything on. They weren't impressive, if they were, we have no idea how impressive.
Disagree on the Oil Rig Tower feat... he was clearly struggling and not able to hold it up... He was visibly weakening holding it up for as long as he did. You can visibly see it slowly, ever so slowly coming closer and closer to him. He simply couldn't hold it. I agree there is a little room for maybe the ground not helping the situation. I would say that is possible. However, the overriding evidence seems to be that he simply wasn't able to hold it.
He had already stopped almost all of its forward momentum, so much so that it was flipping over. Why would it flip over like that if Hulk hadn't stopped most of its momentum? It wouldn't. IM did nothing to stop it, he destroyed it.