Hulk x2 vs Superman (BvsS and Thor(Avengers)

Originally posted by carver9
What proof is it that it would've succeeded at killing Hulk let alone hurting him. Let's not use hype as an argument. Lex said that Batman is the fight of the century for Superman. Is that true? No evidence points to Lex knowing Batman had kryptonite either.

It was made perfectly clear Lex knew Batman stole his Kryptonite. That's why he forced Superman to fight him, because he knew with the Kryptonite, that's a fight Superman could lose.

I don't know what game you're playing here, trying to pretend Batman had a chance without Kryptonite, but it's akin to Trolling, given the movie made it perfectly clear that without Kryptonite, there was no competition between Supes and Bats. Not at all. Supes could kill Bats any second he chose to. The film couldn't have made that more clear.

Only the Kryptonite evened the odds (against armored Batman), and even that was only accomplished via a surprise Kryptonite gas grenade attack when Supes was trying to reason with Bruce.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Holy shit you're bad at this... I mean awful. Look at this video and actually comprehend it you dimwit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amVfFRNmDE4

Now notice :54 - :55 ... What do you notice there dunce. Hulk is literally almost totally stopped. If it was still going to travel a few more hundred feet... why didn't it continue to push Hulk forward? Why did it suddenly stop, and said sudden stop, caused the tail to rise up and flip over. What you'll notice in this time frame... The Leviathan is almost totally stopped.. It will just flip over and come to rest practically in the same spot. I was in no way going to be traveling a few hundred more feet. To even suggest that tells me how moronic you are. Further, even if it was going to travel that much further (which it clearly wasn't) Hulk would've still been the one stopping it. He still was the one who did all the work to get it into a position where it would stop. IM did nothing to stop it.

YOU DIDN"T PROVE YOUR CASE YOU MORON. You said IM matched him in strength and cited a STRIKING exchange. See how this works, you made a claim and then provided crap for evidence to back it up. Yes, I see how dumb you are

Don't need to, you didn't answer my question. After he saved Lois from the falling ejected pod.. why did it take him so long to get to his mother to save here? He was practically almost there already? Odd, very odd for someone who can travel the world in second eh? Explain that.

No you buffoon, Abom wasn't perceiving and reacting to Hulk so that he couldn't touch him. If he was doing that, then you could argue Abom's perception and reaction weren't superior and I couldn't make that comparison. However, Hulk was reacting just fine to Abom and was landing blows on him just fine.. proving that Abom's reactions and perceptions weren't above Hulks. What further proves it, is that Hulk actually won the damn fight. Further proving his superiority to Abom.

Don't think I didn't notice how your speed argument got crushed and now we're moving on to ranged attacks and BFR lol. Superman wont' try ranged attacks right away.. he'll do his bulrush thing and get puny god'd. That is how it would play out.

>Hulk punches Leviathan
>Leviathan continuies moving forward until the angle of its front shifts and it tips over
>Iron Man blows it up
>This somehow equals Hulk bringing it to a full stop by himself
Clown. Why are all Thanos fans retarded?

Yes, I did. Both punched each other, and even though Hulk had forward momentum on his side he failed to move Iron Man. Let's not forget IM pinned him down at one point, and knocked out a tooth at another. You have failed to refute this.

Maybe because he didn't know his mother was in danger at first, retard? Same thing happened in BvS. Obviously he wasn't listening in on his mom like does with Lois. There's also his feat of traveling from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in a few minutes, and keeping up with Faora. All of these are >>>> catching a missile. To argue that Hulk can keep up with legit super speed because he fought someone who caught a rocket is going full retard. Thor had no trouble landing and dodging his hits and Blonsky danced around the green tard, but he's gonna keep up with Superman? You're a joke.

Oh, Superman won't try ranged attacks? Why? Because you said so? And the first thing he did when DD showed up is BFR him, what's Hulk gonna do when Superman flies him in space, huh? And how is Hulk gonna "puny god" Superman when MoS' strength and durability feats shit all over Hulk? One guy gets taken out by lasers and Iron Man, the other overpowers singularities and survives nukes. Hulk gets curbed in a minute tops.

^ That is a good point, that Hulk has trouble landing a punch in Thor on H2H, then what luck would he have hitting Superman?

Originally posted by relentless1
lol Supes KOs both Hulks then smack Thor around for good measure

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ That is a good point, that Hulk has trouble landing a punch in Thor on H2H, then what luck would he have hitting Superman?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ That is a good point, that Hulk has trouble landing a punch in Thor on H2H, then what luck would he have hitting Superman?

Well the difference there is very striking and should be obvious. Thor has superior skill to Superman, hence why he was able to do that. He has better skill and more experience than Superman fighting beasts like Hulk.

Further... Batman was able to dodge attacks from DD. Superman was not on my occasions.. Does that mean Batman is faster than Superman? See how that works?

Doomsday is a mutated Kryptonian, he already has super speed. Batman landed hits on a depowered Superman, so that proves nothing.

Saying that Batman dodged DD is retarded as well, Doomsday was focusing on Superman and Wonder Woman, since they were the only threats to him. Lets not forget that Batman had to be saved by WW as well.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wow, Moronivich 5000 Grimes should be your name. Holy shit this is bad. YOU made the initial claim I disputed. You're too dumb to realize you said that very thing in your post. You said my claim was her calmed down and reverted. Well buffoon, what does that tell us? I was refuting a claim YOU made. I didn't just come to the thread and go he calmed down and reverted LOL. I was disputing YOUR claim. Now prove your claim and post the video or I accept your concession on the matter. So Adam is another one I have to hold his hand through a debate eh? Jesus.

Originally posted by Psychotron
>Hulk punches Leviathan
>Leviathan continuies moving forward until the angle of its front shifts and it tips over
>Iron Man blows it up
>This somehow equals Hulk bringing it to a full stop by himself
Clown. Why are all Thanos fans retarded?

Yes, I did. Both punched each other, and even though Hulk had forward momentum on his side he failed to move Iron Man. Let's not forget IM pinned him down at one point, and knocked out a tooth at another. You have failed to refute this.

Maybe because he didn't know his mother was in danger at first, retard? Same thing happened in BvS. Obviously he wasn't listening in on his mom like does with Lois. There's also his feat of traveling from the Indian Ocean to Metropolis in a few minutes, and keeping up with Faora. All of these are >>>> catching a missile. To argue that Hulk can keep up with legit super speed because he fought someone who caught a rocket is going full retard. Thor had no trouble landing and dodging his hits and Blonsky danced around the green tard, but he's gonna keep up with Superman? You're a joke.

Oh, Superman won't try ranged attacks? Why? Because you said so? And the first thing he did when DD showed up is BFR him, what's Hulk gonna do when Superman flies him in space, huh? And how is Hulk gonna "puny god" Superman when MoS' strength and durability feats shit all over Hulk? One guy gets taken out by lasers and Iron Man, the other overpowers singularities and survives nukes. Hulk gets curbed in a minute tops.

Incorrect you button. YOU claimed IM stopped it. I've unquestionably proven that false. You even admit it. You said, yes it would've stopped eventually. Thus Hulk is the one who stopped it. Then you make the crazy claim that it was still going to travel a few more hundred feet but I should via time stamp it was almost totally stopped and was just going to tip over and come to a rest shortly there after. Period.

Why do you keep repeating the scene clownshoes? We already know what happened. What you keep explaining doesn't back up your claim that IM matched Hulk's strength, which is why it's so funny you keep repeating this. We literally see Hulk ripping off his armor and IM needing spare parts just to compete. If he matched him in strength how could he allow himself to be ripped apart... you'd think being as strong and all.. he could easily reverse the position and overpower it. Yet he couldn't, and on more than one occasion was getting ripped apart. Odd how you characterize that has matching Hulk's strength. Buffoonery 101 at work here.

Clownshoes, his mother was UNQUESTIONABLY in danger. He got that OH SHIT look on his face when talking to Lois and speeds off and fly away. He didn't know LMAO. Jesus. He absolutely knew she was in danger and it took him very long time to get there... even being right next door. Odd huh?

Maybe because that isn't how he fights? Wow, what an amazing concept. He bulrushes Zod right away... Same with Faora... Same with Namek.. Same with Zod again. In each of these instances..... he never, not once starts off just HV his foe. He rushes them and tries to go toe to toe. Huge mistake to do that against the Hulk. He'd literally grab him and it's Punk God time.

Lastly his durability in no way shits over Hulk.. in fact.. Hulk shits all over Superman's durability. Superman's been KO'd far more times than Hulk ever has. He gets destroyed

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
IOW you can't prove your 'refuting claim'. 👆

LOL. Another debate you've lost to me. You haven't won a single one. Pathetic. I accept your concession that you can't back up your initial claim.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Incorrect you button. YOU claimed IM stopped it. I've unquestionably proven that false. You even admit it. You said, yes it would've stopped eventually. Thus Hulk is the one who stopped it. Then you make the crazy claim that it was still going to travel a few more hundred feet but I should via time stamp it was almost totally stopped and was just going to tip over and come to a rest shortly there after. Period.

Why do you keep repeating the scene clownshoes? We already know what happened. What you keep explaining doesn't back up your claim that IM matched Hulk's strength, which is why it's so funny you keep repeating this. We literally see Hulk ripping off his armor and IM needing spare parts just to compete. If he matched him in strength how could he allow himself to be ripped apart... you'd think being as strong and all.. he could easily reverse the position and overpower it. Yet he couldn't, and on more than one occasion was getting ripped apart. Odd how you characterize that has matching Hulk's strength. Buffoonery 101 at work here.

Clownshoes, his mother was UNQUESTIONABLY in danger. He got that OH SHIT look on his face when talking to Lois and speeds off and fly away. He didn't know LMAO. Jesus. He absolutely knew she was in danger and it took him very long time to get there... even being right next door. Odd huh?

Maybe because that isn't how he fights? Wow, what an amazing concept. He bulrushes Zod right away... Same with Faora... Same with Namek.. Same with Zod again. In each of these instances..... he never, not once starts off just HV his foe. He rushes them and tries to go toe to toe. Huge mistake to do that against the Hulk. He'd literally grab him and it's Punk God time.

Kek, you are mentally handicapped. I feel bad talking to you, it's like picking on the school retard. You can't even comprehend basic physics. You think if a lorry moving at 80 mph hit something and flipped over it would just stop moving? Think before you post. IM stopped it because he's the one who blew it up. Hulk just slowed it down, but guess what? It was gonna stop on its own anyway, because its forward momentum was decreasing as soon as it hit the ground. Hulk was basically useless in that scene, Iron Man could have blown it up all on his own.

I see the problem, retard. For some reason you're equatting strength with durability, which is obviously false. IM's durability was inferior, but his strength was equal to Hulk's. I'll try to explain this to you in simple terms so your underdeveloped brain doesn't get confused again. Hulk and Iron Man hit each other, neither moved, thus they hit each other with an equal amount of force. Got it, Forrest?

And he arrived as soon as Zod was screaming at her, basically as soon as she was in danger. You still need to explain how he could pull off the Lois feat and the World Engine feat if he wasn't as fast as I say. But you won't because you can't, because in your small mind Hulk getting raped by Abom for 80% of their fight, who caught a missile, is on the level of Faora's flash step. Hulk couldn't even tag Blonsky and Thor, he'd get blitzed by Superman.

Maybe in MoS, but he's learned since then. The first thing he did was BFR Doomsday in BvS. Same would happen to Hulk, he even looks like DD. And how is Hulk going to smash MoS, when Hulk's strength is literally Iron Man tier, and his durability gets overloaded by a dozen generic laser rifles?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
LOL. Another debate you've lost to me. You haven't won a single one. Pathetic. I accept your concession that you can't back up your initial claim.

I guess Superman wins then.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well the difference there is very striking and should be obvious. Thor has superior skill to Superman, hence why he was able to do that. He has better skill and more experience than Superman fighting beasts like Hulk.

Further... Batman was able to dodge attacks from DD. Superman was not on my occasions.. Does that mean Batman is faster than Superman? See how that works?

Thor had the flexibility, reflexes and speed to evade Hulks attacks. The skill part is just combat training sharpening his reflexes. But Supermans speed advantage is far greater. So it's pretty unlikely Hulk could hit Superman when he had difficulty hitting Thor.

Batman dodged a punch from Doomsday? I don't remember that. In fact I remember Batman keeping his distance from Doomsday, and still needed saving by WW.

What I'm saying is, Superman was unable to dodge "attacks" from DD.. yet Batman was... does that make Batman faster?

Umm no, that is fighting skill, which is what allowed Thor to do that. Further, Superman fights like a brute and charges right in... Nobody beats Hulk fighting like that, Superman included.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What I'm saying is, Superman was unable to dodge "attacks" from DD.. yet Batman was... does that make Batman faster?

Batman never went toe to toe with Doomsday so the point is invalid. Also completely irrelevant example, as Batman can't do anything against Doomsday except keep his distance and avoid him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Umm no, that is fighting skill, which is what allowed Thor to do that.

What "skill" did he use to evade Hulk's attacks? It was just speed. Perhaps speed that's been honed by combat training, but still speed (and flexibility).

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Further, Superman fights like a brute and charges right in... Nobody beats Hulk fighting like that, Superman included.

Superman fighting like a "Brute and Charging right in" was flying Doomsday into space. Not really sure what Hulk could do to avoid that.

In any case Superman fights like that against Opponents with similar speed and durability to himself. It remains to be seen if he would do that against a slower, Non-Kryptonian brute.

But against Batman he casually caught the Kryptonite rocket/grenade while walking towards him.

Huh? What are you talking about... The ability to avoid punches in tighter corners i.e. while in the pocket has EVERYTHING to do with skill. Your ability to perceive a movement in the legs.. hips... torso.. shoulders etc etc so you know a punch is coming.. then where to best move to avoid, yet put yourself in a proper position to counter. All that thinking comes BEFORE any movement happens. That's skill. Yes he's avoiding punches using perception.. reflexes... speed etc etc... but in order to know how to do those things in the right sequence and the right time all comes back to skill.

It's like claiming a boxer like Whitaker who made a living avoiding punches in the pocket was only due to speed. Umm no, it was due to his skill and ring generalship first... speed was a just a byproduct of it.

Ummm no, he fights like that.. period. If you wanna prove he'd fight different against Hulk that onus is on you. I have his storied track record on how he fights... so the evidence is squarely on my side. If you feel he'll do different then prove it.

DC fanboys are the worst.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Batman never went toe to toe with Doomsday so the point is invalid. Also completely irrelevant example, as Batman can't do anything against Doomsday except keep his distance and avoid him.

What "skill" did he use to evade Hulk's attacks? It was just speed. Perhaps speed that's been honed by combat training, but still speed (and flexibility).

Superman fighting like a "Brute and Charging right in" was flying Doomsday into space. Not really sure what Hulk could do to avoid that.

In any case Superman fights like that against Opponents with similar speed and durability to himself. It remains to be seen if he would do that against a slower, Non-Kryptonian brute.

But against Batman he casually caught the Kryptonite rocket/grenade while walking towards him.

Abomination casually caught a rocket launcher missle while his back was turned. FAR more impressive.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? What are you talking about... The ability to avoid punches in tighter corners i.e. while in the pocket has EVERYTHING to do with skill. Your ability to perceive a movement in the legs.. hips... torso.. shoulders etc etc so you know a punch is coming.. then where to best move to avoid, yet put yourself in a proper position to counter. All that thinking comes BEFORE any movement happens. That's skill. Yes he's avoiding punches using perception.. reflexes... speed etc etc... but in order to know how to do those things in the right sequence and the right time all comes back to skill.

It's like claiming a boxer like Whitaker who made a living avoiding punches in the pocket was only due to speed. Umm no, it was due to his skill and ring generalship first... speed was a just a byproduct of it.

Ummm no, he fights like that.. period. If you wanna prove he'd fight different against Hulk that onus is on you. I have his storied track record on how he fights... so the evidence is squarely on my side. If you feel he'll do different then prove it.

That's true about looking out for punch/kick signals. Although don't see how that helped Thor dodge the jet wing. That was just reflexes+speed+flexibility. Tell me do you think Thor's skill and speed and flexibility would make him as able to dodge Hulks punches as Supes with his superior speed?

Already told you, the fight with Batman shows he doesn't just bullrush in all the time.

You've also not answers what Hulk could do to avoid getting bull rushed into space the way Supes was doing to Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Abomination casually caught a rocket launcher missle while his back was turned. FAR more impressive.

Fair point.