Originally posted by AncientPower
So Tano gets put on the defensive and forced to retreat, clearly incapable of matching Vader one on one, and now she's stomping Shaak Ti who was by every margin better than Galen Marek? lol Killermovies.
Shaak wasn't superior to Galen. She was on a light side nexus and Galen had fought through an army of force users and she had an entire world at her command aiding her efforts against him and she still lost even going all out. Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by JKBart
Why did she an hero then if she was better?And Galen at the beginning was a noob somewhere within Yuon Par/Kit Fisto/Asajj Ventress/Darth Talon range
False. Even at the VERY beginning he was a master of lightsaber combat who could throw around TIE's, kill dozens of soldiers with a force push and buckle walls with a gesture.
She didn't, she nearly sliced his skull in half and tagged him twice, he used instinctive telekinesis to stop the blade and was stunned to notice he'd managed to impale her. He remarks on how lucky and close to death he'd been, she was better than him, quite solidly too.
This was the third quarter of the book, not the beginning. Galen Marek had almost perfected his lightsaber skill training with Vader, already defeated Rahm Kota, killed Kazdan Paratus, telekinetically wrecked hundreds of junk droids, trashed AT-STs and was capable of tearing down Kazdan's temple.
He was nothing like a 'noob', infact there is an implication that he'd already achieved much of his power when Vader impaled him; he just wasn't ready yet.
Ti > Marek in his prime as a dark sider before his redemption, which makes her easily one of the strongest on the Jedi High Council. Her performance against Marek is more impressive than Tano's decisive loss against Vader.
Originally posted by AncientPower
So Tano gets put on the defensive and forced to retreat, clearly incapable of matching Vader one on one, and now she's stomping Shaak Ti who was by every margin better than Galen Marek? lol Killermovies.
Shaak Ti was in a desperate battle and died to pre-Prime Galen Marek, struggles with a Single Magnaguard, and runs like a coward from Knighfall Anakin. Ahsoka tough evenly with Maul and gave Vader a decent fight prior and after the destruction of the Malachor temple. Ti wouldn't and can't replicate those feats, the Inquisitors would probably kill her
Originally posted by Syndicate
Shaak wasn't superior to Galen. She was on a light side nexus and Galen had fought through an army of force users and she had an entire world at her command aiding her efforts against him and she still lost even going all out. Get your facts straight.
Lol, how many times must it be proven that the only reason Felucia isn't a living dark side planet is because of Shaak Ti's presence, her command of the planet stopped its corruption. Without her it went straight back to the dark side; she can't amp herself off of her own light side presence.
Originally posted by AncientPower
She didn't, she nearly sliced his skull in half and tagged him twice, he used instinctive telekinesis to stop the blade and was stunned to notice he'd managed to impale her. He remarks on how lucky and close to death he'd been, she was better than him, quite solidly too.This was the third quarter of the book, not the beginning. Galen Marek had almost perfected his lightsaber skill training with Vader, already defeated Rahm Kota, killed Kazdan Paratus, telekinetically wrecked hundreds of junk droids, trashed AT-STs and was capable of tearing down Kazdan's temple.
He was nothing like a 'noob', infact there is an implication that he'd already achieved much of his power when Vader impaled him; he just wasn't ready yet.
Ti > Marek in his prime as a dark sider before his redemption, which makes her easily one of the strongest on the Jedi High Council. Her performance against Marek is more impressive than Tano's decisive loss against Vader.
She had to put everything she had into offense because she was growing desperate and that offensive failed. She's incapable of pressuring Galen to that point without leaving herself catastrophically open as she did. Granted she was capable of pressing him in lightsaber combat.
This was not the third quarter. It wasn't even half. He defeats her on page 85 of a 360 page novel.
Also he never fought ATAT's that we ( the readers ) are aware of before that point.
Of course Marek wasn't a noob.
Ti < Marek at the time they fought. Btw Marek was still a darksider for some time after Shaak's defeat and goes on to accomplish far more impressive feats. That we can agree on, Shaak's performance is more impressive then Ahsoka's.
Originally posted by carthage
Shaak Ti was in a desperate battle and died to pre-Prime Galen Marek, struggles with a Single Magnaguard, and runs like a coward from Knighfall Anakin. Ahsoka tough evenly with Maul and gave Vader a decent fight prior and after the destruction of the Malachor temple. Ti wouldn't and can't replicate those feats, the Inquisitors would probably kill her
She had him on the ropes the entirety of the battle in the novel and ragdolls him in the comic with kinetite, she was better. Even in the game Marek struggles to beat her Tutaminis with his Force lightning.
She single-handedly held off and destroyed dozens, she didn't 'struggle- eith one magnaguard, she was wrecking them. Misrepresenting feats as usual Carthage?
She ran from the temple after starting the evacuation, because it isn't as if seeking a fight with Vader and the 501st legion would be suicide or anything.
But i'm not about to argue with a troll whose sole purpose is lowballing characters to get reactions out of others.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Lol, how many times must it be proven that the only reason Felucia isn't a living dark side planet is because of Shaak Ti's presence, her command of the planet stopped its corruption. Without her it went straight back to the dark side; she can't amp herself off of her own light side presence.
It needs to be proven once. Which it hasn't been.
"She had taken a world enjoying the normal flows between the light and dark sides of the Force and twisted it out of balance." - The Force Unleashed.
Originally posted by carthage
Shaak Ti was in a desperate battle and died to pre-Prime Galen Marek, struggles with a Single Magnaguard, and runs like a coward from Knighfall Anakin. Ahsoka tough evenly with Maul and gave Vader a decent fight prior and after the destruction of the Malachor temple. Ti wouldn't and can't replicate those feats, the Inquisitors would probably kill her
To be fair she struggled with a single magnaguard pre prime and she goes on to face dozens not long after. Also doing as well as she did against Galen by that point is extremely impressive. Btw we don't know the circumstances in which she fled from the temple. Given she had an apprentice ( Maris Brood ) with her on Felucia she likely left to protect her.
An atrophied Maul. Ti could definitely replicate those feats. Fodder Inquisitors would pose no challenge to her.
Originally posted by AncientPowerAre you disputing Ahsoka's victory against Ti, or just advocating Ti doesn't get stomped by her?
So Tano gets put on the defensive and forced to retreat, clearly incapable of matching Vader one on one, and now she's stomping Shaak Ti who was by every margin better than Galen Marek? lol Killermovies.
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Originally posted by AncientPowerShaak Ti's presence tipped the balance of the Force on Felucia, affecting a powerful light side vergence on a planet strong in the Force. Shaak Ti could easily have saturated herself with that wellspring, just the native Felucians did. On the other hand, its a fact that the planet was stifling Marek's own use of the dark side, by his own omission.
Lol, how many times must it be proven that the only reason Felucia isn't a living dark side planet is because of Shaak Ti's presence, her command of the planet stopped its corruption. Without her it went straight back to the dark side; she can't amp herself off of her own light side presence.
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My opinion on this fight is that it wouldn't be any means a stomp, Shaak Ti is a highly intelligent duelist and one of the greatest swordsmasters in the Order. However in contending with Maul as an equal and holding her own against Darth Vader, Ahsoka has demonstrated at least the same if not a superior level of skill.
I'm inclined to give this to Ahsoka on the basis she has demonstrated a higher level of stamina. Ti has great ability in this regard, but she was exhausted by the Battle of Hypori and her fight against the Magnaguards, both of which resulted in her being more or less destroyed by General Grievous. I also think it can be inferred her brief bout with Marek left her powers rapidly depleted as well, despite having the planet to draw upon, hence the final desperate assault.
Ahsoka on the other hand engaged in a lengthy engagement with Darth Vader (in which she was not overpowered), almost as long as Shaak Ti's fight with the Magnaguards, taking head on strength significantly greater than the meteoric strikes of RotS Anakin - before being subjected to an over a hundred feet or so fall. And still came back with enough fighting force to break Vader's guard to tag him, and keep fighting after that.
And in a contest between two Ataru masters whoever tires first dies essentially.