Ahsoka Tano vs Shaak Ti

Started by Syndicate8 pages

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Shaak Ti's presence tipped the balance of the Force on Felucia, affecting a powerful light side vergence on a planet strong in the Force. Shaak Ti could easily have saturated herself with that wellspring, just the native Felucians did. On the other hand, its a fact that the planet was stifling Marek's own use of the dark side, by his own omission.

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My opinion on this fight is that it wouldn't be any means a stomp, Shaak Ti is a highly intelligent duelist and one of the greatest swordsmasters in the Order. However in contending with Maul as an equal and holding her own against Darth Vader, Ahsoka has demonstrated at least the same if not a superior level of skill.

I'm inclined to give this to Ahsoka on the basis she has demonstrated a higher level of stamina. Ti has great ability in this regard, but she was exhausted by the Battle of Hypori and her fight against the Magnaguards, both of which resulted in her being more or less destroyed by General Grievous. I also think it can be inferred her brief bout with Marek left her powers rapidly depleted as well, despite having the planet to draw upon, hence the final desperate assault.

Ahsoka on the other hand engaged in a lengthy engagement with Darth Vader (in which she was not overpowered), almost as long as Shaak Ti's fight with the Magnaguards, taking head on strength significantly greater than the meteoric strikes of RotS Anakin - before being subjected to an over a hundred feet or so fall. And still came back with enough fighting force to break Vader's guard to tag him, and keep fighting after that.

And in a contest between two Ataru masters whoever tires first dies essentially.

Going to be addressing each section here and I'm going to be trying to do so without bias.

Thank you Beni, thank you for actually acknowledging what I've been trying to tell people for weeks, months and some even years.

You mean Marek? Honestly from a lightsaber standpoint I don't know. While Marek is highly skilled by that point he's not on TFU Vader's level ( that comes at the end of the novel ) and Vader in legends isn't in his prime by that point ( that's by RotJ ). Canon Vader apparently is Vader's prime so if it ends up that canon Vader is as skilled as his legends counterpart ( which honestly it's looking like that's the case ) then it's pretty hard to call.

This is where I disagree. We don't know how long her fight with Marek went on for but given the description of it and how many comic scans were dedicated to it it seemed to have gone on for a decently long period. While she has shown to tire out after around 10 minutes of attempting to get the Chancellor to safety and fighting off magnaguards I don't think Ahsoka would fair any better. I agree that she knew Marek could keep fighting longer then her and that's why she attempted her desperate offensive. But Marek has more stamina then almost anyone given his youth and force reserves.

Wait. Significantly greater then Anakin's strikes? While I agree his cybernetics should bring him to around par with Anakin's augmented strength what makes you think Vader's strength would be superior let alone far greater? I also have to say that I think facing dozens of magnaguards would exhaust someone just as much as facing Vader. Also 100 foot falls are nothing for force users. We've seen Ahsoka fall possibly greater distances and soften her landing with the Force. Also I think you and I can agree that she managed to cut off a part of Vader's mask because his full attention was not on her.

To be fair Shaak has also mastered Makashi.

Ahsoka wins.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Ahsoka wins.

Why?

Originally posted by Selenial
Can't be assed to deal with a 10k character limit. Come at me Beni:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8879923#post8879923

Originally posted by Syndicate
Why?

I doubt she'd be able to contend with Vader the way Ahsoka did tbh.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I doubt she'd be able to contend with Vader the way Ahsoka did tbh.

Why?

Because she's not even Maul/Kenobi/Ventress level in my book.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Because she's not even Maul/Kenobi/Ventress level in my book.

Why?

Bicuz fvck u

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Fair enough.

Glad I convinced you.

Shaak Ti couldn't dream of doing as well against Vader as Ahsoka did. Hell, she'd get stomped by Maul.

Either way.

Originally posted by Syndicate
You mean Marek? Honestly from a lightsaber standpoint I don't know. While Marek is highly skilled by that point he's not on TFU Vader's level ( that comes at the end of the novel ) and Vader in legends isn't in his prime by that point ( that's by RotJ ). Canon Vader apparently is Vader's prime so if it ends up that canon Vader is as skilled as his legends counterpart ( which honestly it's looking like that's the case ) then it's pretty hard to call.
Erm, did I say Marek?
This is where I disagree. We don't know how long her fight with Marek went on for but given the description of it and how many comic scans were dedicated to it it seemed to have gone on for a decently long period.
Meh, if you say so.
While she has shown to tire out after around 10 minutes of attempting to get the Chancellor to safety and fighting off magnaguards I don't think Ahsoka would fair any better.
Most of it was just running and jumping, which for a Jedi wouldn't be very taxing. She was only in combat for a few minutes of that.
I agree that she knew Marek could keep fighting longer then her and that's why she attempted her desperate offensive. But Marek has more stamina then almost anyone given his youth and force reserves.
True.
Wait. Significantly greater then Anakin's strikes? While I agree his cybernetics should bring him to around par with Anakin's augmented strength what makes you think Vader's strength would be superior let alone far greater?
Because he grew more powerful? 😬
I also have to say that I think facing dozens of magnaguards would exhaust someone just as much as facing Vader.
Well that's the point, Shaak Ti was exhausted whereas Ahsoka had plenty of fight left in her.
Also 100 foot falls are nothing for force users. We've seen Ahsoka fall possibly greater distances and soften her landing with the Force.
She didn't cushion the fall though, when it cuts back she's sprawled on the ground.
Also I think you and I can agree that she managed to cut off a part of Vader's mask because his full attention was not on her.
I'm not denying it was circumstantial, but its hardly anything anyone could have accomplished.
To be fair Shaak has also mastered Makashi.
That is true, but if her duel against Marek is any indication, she favors an energy intensive style.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Erm, did I say Marek?Meh, if you say so.Most of it was just running and jumping, which for a Jedi wouldn't be very taxing. She was only in combat for a few minutes of that.True.Because he grew more powerful? 😬Well that's the point, Shaak Ti was exhausted whereas Ahsoka had plenty of fight left in her.She didn't cushion the fall though, when it cuts back she's sprawled on the ground.I'm not denying it was circumstantial, but its hardly anything anyone could have accomplished.That is true, but if her duel against Marek is any indication, she favors an energy intensive style.

Ah, thought you were still talking about Shaak Ti and got your names mixed up. My bad.

Most of what Ahoka did against Vader was just running and jumping the fact is she's trying to escape with and protect the chancellor while having to deal with Jedi knight level opponents throughout.

Then his original self? He grew far more powerful then the former shell of himself he was after Mustafar not necessarily more then he was Anakin.

She was defeated by Vader as evidenced by his exit from the temple. Shaak Ti was defeated by Grievous after her fight with the magnaguards. Ergo they were both tired out by their respective opponents before being defeated. Granted we don't know how long Vader and Ashoka's fight went on for after the cut away.

Fair enough. It's true that Ahsoka has impressive durability.

True enough though it's definitely a feat a CM level character could replicate.

Since she was his superior in that duel it only makes sense that she would have been the offensive.

Originally posted by |King Joker|

Yo Joker you got a Swtor subscription? Beni's pussying out because he doesn't think Ahsoka can beat TFU Shaak mmm

Originally posted by Selenial
Yo Joker you got a Swtor subscription? Beni's pussying out because he doesn't think Ahsoka can beat TFU Shaak mmm
I don't. Does it cost money or something lol?

Yasss.

Might have to CaV someone then mmm

Jokers on CV

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Jokers on CV

mmm

I'm down if you are, Joker.