Originally posted by SyndicateNo, most of what Ahsoka did was deflecting and countering his attacks.
Most of what Ahoka did against Vader was just running and jumping the fact is she's trying to escape with and protect the chancellor while having to deal with Jedi knight level opponents throughout.
Then his original self? He grew far more powerful then the former shell of himself he was after Mustafar not necessarily more then he was Anakin.It's not a matter of debate, he's stated to be more powerful in Lords of the Sith.
She was defeated by Vader as evidenced by his exit from the temple. Shaak Ti was defeated by Grievous after her fight with the magnaguards. Ergo they were both tired out by their respective opponents before being defeated. Granted we don't know how long Vader and Ashoka's fight went on for after the cut away.Huh? BFR'ed =/= defeated. And it lasted 50 seconds after the cut away, 1:40 in total.
True enough though it's definitely a feat a CM level character could replicate.Perhaps, but the point is it demonstrates she wasn't tired after fight with Vader, Ti was to the point Grievous legit one-shotted.
Since she was his superior in that duel it only makes sense that she would have been the offensive.Point is she was clearly wielding primarily Ataru. But granted, Ti has other options.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
. And it lasted 50 seconds after the cut away, 1:40 in total.Perhaps, but the point is it demonstrates she wasn't tired after fight with Vader, Ti was to the point Grievous legit one-shotted.
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Sorry but this is kind of a bullshit argument. She got electrocuted by a staff that completely disabled the council member Eeth Koth like 8 times, force sprinted faster than Palpatine's escape vessel which travelled at speeds eclipsing one hundred miles an hour after fighting a dozen Knight-Level opponents... That's not even including the previous chase scenes in the Battle of Coruscant. It's no surprise that a character portrayed as a match for the greatest of Jedi could beat her in that state...
And that's far more endurance and stamina than barely fending off Vader for two minutes 😬
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which unlike Koth she used tutanimis to absorb.Not sure how you reached the conclusion she sprinted that fast.
Barely? Lol, she fended him off quite effectively, and then fell at least a hundred feet. And considering a weaker offense left Dooku exhausted in a shorter amount of time, its really not.
Because she had to catch up with it before Grievous got there. She was delayed significantly by the Magnaguards and still arrived only shortly after Greivous had dispatched her Jedi companions...
She didn't defend against his blows head on as some have before her. She deflected them in the style of a Makashi duelist to not take the brunt of his strike, specifically because she could not deal with his strength head on. Ergo she wasn't going to tire as quickly as others who would face Vader, and could be classified as barely fending off his strikes.
Yes but it would have left her less exhausted than if she'd failed to mitigate the attack
OK, that's fair. Though I have qualms regarding taking that at face value.
Huh? Ahsoka wields an Ataru/Djem So hybrid, what you are reading into the fight it baseless conjecture. 😬
Regardless you realise Dooku used Makashi to deflect Anakin's attacks? He wasn't even able to take Anakin head on. Its an added bonus for Ahsoka that she did.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes but it would have left her less exhausted than if she'd failed to mitigate the attackOK, that's fair. Though I have qualms regarding taking that at face value.
Huh? Ahsoka wields an Ataru/Djem So hybrid, what you are reading into the fight it baseless conjecture. 😬
Regardless you realise Dooku used Makashi to deflect Anakin's attacks? He wasn't even able to take Anakin head on. Its an added bonus for Ahsoka that she did.
Irrelevant, but thanks I guess?
Has her form been confirmed since rebels? Besides, it's not conjecture, it's simple fact that she was not meeting his attacks head on for the majority of the fight, instead deflecting the momentum away from her.
And why are you comparing Zonakin to Vader 😬 The Anakin that fought Dooku on the invisible hand would take Vader as well...
Legends sources state she wields Ataru and Djem So. I'm assuming that's remains the case considering obvious stylistic pointers in Rebels and elsewhere.
And she wasn't, and I don't know how you managed to infer that.
Because Zonakin isn't really a thing, Dooku was getting exhausted before that and LotS states he's stronger than ever before.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Legends sources state she wields Ataru and Djem So. I'm assuming that's remains the case considering obvious stylistic pointers in Rebels and elsewhere.And she wasn't, and I don't know how you managed to infer that.
Because Zonakin isn't really a thing, Dooku was getting exhausted before that and LotS states he's stronger than ever before.
"Zonakin isn't really a thing"
" Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn; like the proverbial Corellian multipede, now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.
[...]
A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.
It is that simple, and that complex.
And it is final.
Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.
The play is still on; the comedy of lightsabers flashes and snaps and hisses. Dooku and Skywalker, a one-time-only command performance, for an audience of one. Jedi and Sith and Sith and Jedi, spinning, whirling, crashing together, slashing and chopping, parrying, binding, slipping and whipping and ripping the air around them with snarls of power.
And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.
[...]
Only he stands between death and the two men he loves best in all the world, and he can no longer afford to hold anything back. That imaginary dead-star dragon tries its best to freeze away his strength, to whisper him that Dooku has beaten him before, that Dooku has all the power of the darkness, to remind him how Dooku took his hand, how Dooku could strike down even Obi-Wan himself seemingly without effort and now Anakin is all alone and he will never be a match for any Lord of the Sith—
But Palpatine's words rage is your weapon have given Anakin permission to unseal the shielding around his furnace heart, and all his fears and all his doubts shrivel in its flame."
Zonakin absolutely is a thing.
Oh and it is quite evident, given half of Vader's strikes are met with a flailing strike from Ahsoka to divert his blade downwards. It's what keeps leaving her exposed, the only reason she wasn't finished being Vader's lack of speed over her.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's not being in the zone. That's flowery language for focused. The book is full of that shit. Did Dooku go "into the zone" when he became "the axis for the galaxy?"
Are you retarded? Anakin overwhelmed Dooku in 10 seconds after the little 'you have hate, you have anger, but you don't use them' speech.
Even Yoda was incapable of that in AOTCs and Dark Rendezvous.
So either we accept Anakin as the best duelist in the mythos or accept that was a high end outlier feat.
I personally think that Anakin being>Yoda and Sidious is a ridiculous notion. His other feats suggest that Anakin regularly is roughly on par with Dooku and Windu, in the zone he's god tier.